ErCJul 8, 2023

It's official: Cluster bombs will be sent to Ukraine.

Banned in most of the world except #Ukraine, #USA and #Russia, because of the indiscriminate slaughter of civilians they cause.

This escalations from the US follows the many others ("defence weapons", long range artillery, tanks, etc) that were considered madness at the beginning of the Russian aggression.

The world doesn't seem to have learnt that "we do it for the greater good" doesn't lead to anything good.

What's the next forbidden weapon that will be rebranded as good because"the good guys" are the ones using it?

End this madness now.

#Noclusterbombs

Show threadLukáš ZapletalJul 8, 2023

@erc no cluster bombs are being sent. These are 155mm artilery shells.

This ammunition is being used by Russia in Ukraine. They use a type that is really very dangerous with about 30% failure rate. US is sending modern type which is known to fail at about 3%.

Russians are shelling and bombing cities with these. Ukraine army signed they will not use it in cities or Russian land.

Moscow miscalculated all of it, yes. Your statements are absurd.

Show threadErC

@lzap You are very much wrong in all your points:

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/07/us/cluster-weapons-duds-ukraine.html

Ukraine also assured allies they would not target Russian cities with the artillery they provided. They not only did that but also attacked Russian cities with drones. You might agree with that, but doesn't change the fact that they "signed" they wouldn't do something and than did it anyway (and allies were pissed)

They are desperate and will do anything to defend their country (rightfully), but building an alternative reality to justify whatever actions is not a good way to go.

Cluster Weapons U.S. Is Sending Ukraine Often Fail to Detonate

The Pentagon’s statements indicate that the cluster munitions that will be sent to Ukraine contain older grenades known to have a failure rate of 14 percent or more.

The New York Times
Jul 8, 2023 at 11:11amWeb
Show threadLukáš ZapletalJul 8, 2023
@erc I spent my childhood under Russian occupation. Russian soilders did something terrible to my family. I say it is okay. US leadership say it is okay. Nobody cares about your “arguments” and opinion. Nobody actually asked for it.