I think defederating Threads is a huge missed opportunity for Mastodon to grow.

Imagine interacting with their users and letting them know that: you scroll posts without ads, your timeline is in chronological order, your client doesn’t spy on you, you only see what you want and no other content is pushed to your timeline, etc…

if I was a Threads users, I would move to Mastodon as soon as I find out 🙂

@andreagrandi So do I...I prefer Fosstodon's stance on it...wait and see how it shakes out, then decide. If they turn out to be a negative influence, then defederate.
@thundergod97 @andreagrandi literally millions of them joined in just a few hours … which group is gonna influence who, again?

@donhawkins
That's the thing. When they first announced how many people had signed up, it was 10 million. That was more than makes up the entire Fediverse right now. The second number was 30 million, tripling that.

So why are they even considering federating?

Why are they even considering exposing their userbase to people who haven't bought into their BS hook line and sinker?

@thundergod97 @donhawkins I think it's a play at avoiding antitrust and other forms of regulatory action.

By federating they can say "See we support an Open Internet and competition" even if only at a surface level. The vast majority will never switch once they join threads and those of us that wouldn't join are still exposed to their data collection by proxy unless we want to be siloed into irrelevance. Think about how Gmail dominates email despite email being federated.

@geekynerdynerd @thundergod97 I’m thinking, I’m thinking … I have a couple gmail accts, but they have been relagated to forwarding addresses I give to the grocery store rewards program 😎 but I actually USE FastMail, & ProtonMail accts. I’m not too sure about the relavent / irrelevant thing coz I really appreciate this quote: “Better to write for one’s self & have no public, than to write for the public, and have no self”. I never could relate to the obsession over follower counts.

@donhawkins @thundergod97 The point I was making was that Gmail makes up the vast majority of email accounts globally, and cutting off all Gmail users from communicating with you would make life impossibly difficult.

Similarly, Federating Threads will result in the majority of users, content, and discussions occurring on the Threads instance, making it so any instance defederates from it will find themselves without a sufficient amount of content/discussion to keep people on the platform.

@geekynerdynerd @thundergod97 yeah, I think that there maybe enough contrarians, like myself, who have had enough of the BS, the privacy/security issues; the billionaire drama to maintain alternatives. E-Mail as example; Proton is thriving as a direct G-Mail option, largely based upon the whole privacy/security factor. And full features of Proton come at a comparable premium peeps seem willing to pay too. We’ll see I guess.
@donhawkins @thundergod97 I use protonmail as well, but I think you are missing my point. My point is it doesn't matter if a few million people use protonmail exclusively. At some point they will, eventually inevitably have to email someone who's on Gmail. They can't completely avoid Gmail without isolating themselves from a billion people and the millions of businesses that use g-suite, and when you do Google still sees all of the contents of that particular email.
@geekynerdynerd @thundergod97 No I gotcha. I think you may be missing my point that as tech evolves, if Google doesn’t evolve their features to be more proton-like secure, there could be a shift & in the future we might talk about GMail like Lotus 123, or Blackberry, etc, etc.

@donhawkins @thundergod97 I suppose that's possible, but that would require billions of people to ditch Google and I just don't see that happening. 1/8th of the global population uses Gmail. Those things only had a tiny fraction of a percentage of the number of users.

I should probably hedge what I'm saying here with "I don't see that happening unless Elon Musk acquires Google or something else catastrophic occurs like Google being banned from the EU entirely."

@geekynerdynerd @thundergod97 Amazon has become ubiquitous & yet, I don’t buy anything from them & the sun still ruses & sets. I’ve never seen the inside of a Walmart & still not starved 😎