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Glendon Mellow Jul 4, 2023

myrmepropagandist

Fascinated that the owners of social media sites see API usage and web scraping as "data pillaging" -- immoral theft! Stealing! and yet, if you or I say that we should be paid for the content we create on social media the idea is laughed out of the room.

Social media is worthless without people and all the things we create do and say.

It's so valuable that these boys are trying to lock it in a vault.

Joyographic Jul 4, 2023

@futurebird Degrading service, yes

Grumble Jul 4, 2023

@futurebird Rentiers are some petty, jealous bitches.

myrmepropagandist Jul 4, 2023

This MF wants *me* to pay *him* $18 a month for the "chance" to write awesome tweets for him to sell, and sit there and watch ads that he gets paid for... and then tells me I can only look at 1000 tweets a day?

Why isn't everyone gone from that place yet?

Holly Jahangiri 🌻🖋️Jul 5, 2023

@futurebird @grumble209 dunno. I left the day he arrived. He seemed to much of a security and privacy risk, as he clearly had no idea how to run such a business responsibly.

Frank Bennett 🇯🇵Jul 5, 2023

@hollyjahangiri @futurebird @grumble209 At long last, a context in which I can responsibly say "MeToo"!

Reay Jespersen Jul 4, 2023

@futurebird So, literally, what Twitter records about what you do and say when and where and for how long in order to sell you targeted ads = the natural order of things.

But any outsider doing the same thing = scum of the earth that users must be shielded from.

👍🙄

infinity_rainbow

@futurebird ._. Kinda ironic too given that these services steal people's information and sell it and don't adequately inform people of it.

But yeah. Using APIs that corporations put out there for use is absolutely data theft 🙄 /sarcasm

Adam Dalliance Jul 4, 2023

@futurebird "Data Pillaged", verb: Providing the intermediary messaging service that the users expect, forward messages to those who ask.

@krisnelson Jul 4, 2023

@futurebird Hmm, put like this I am even more reminded of the history of the enclosure of the commons by English aristocrats/landowners to capture all that value, much of it originating from the peasants (many who were drive away as a result). Many differences too, but still interesting to compare/contrast and maybe learn something

Frank Bennett 🇯🇵Jul 5, 2023

@krisnelson @futurebird Enclosure of the commons, but in the manner of It's a *Good* Life! with Billy Mummy. Be nice 🥰 or little Elon will send your digital ass into the corn field.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/It%27s_a_Good_Life_(The_Twilight_Zone)

It's a Good Life (The Twilight Zone) - Wikipedia

Jane Daly Jul 5, 2023

@fgbjr @krisnelson @futurebird horrific yet accurate. Right up to Elon's mummy telling him not to fight Zuck.

Lucifer Jul 4, 2023

@futurebird and yet, assuming that is true, which is not, that never happened before you acquired #twitter

Edelruth, PBS Passport Holder Jul 4, 2023

They take all our available info from our phones if we click on their sites all the time.

Anyway, it was never about datascraping for Elon, he just didnt pay his server bill and the truth was too embarrassing for him.

IAG Jul 4, 2023

@futurebird Scraping is degrading the experience for our users? That's no fair, only we can do that!

johncarneyau Jul 4, 2023

@futurebird capitalism writ large.

Cat West Jul 4, 2023

@futurebird And they take and sell our private information, over and over again.

estarriol Jul 4, 2023

@futurebird that is the point, how dare others use the free data, they have decided they already own.

Jamie Mason Jul 4, 2023

Echoes this! And you don't even have to go far to prove it. Twitter. Twitter was a great app before Musky. Now it's a laughing stock, worth 1/3rd of what he paid for it, and sinking..

Jamie

apophis Jul 4, 2023

@futurebird for a split second i misread that last sentence as ~these boys ought to be locked in a vault~ and had you said that i probably would have boosted this

(but i won't since it's got musk's face without a cw)

Aviva Gary Jul 4, 2023

@futurebird But it's different for them... 🤑 🙃

KanaMauna Jul 4, 2023

@futurebird Well, he was also lying and was using the excuse he thought users would believe.

ProleWiki.org (EN)Jul 4, 2023

@futurebird Plus nobody we know was complaining about noticing degraded service on Twitter. Adding rate limits on the other hand... everyone noticed those immediately. Talk about degrading service lol

John Arrington Jul 4, 2023

@futurebird Companies are feeding their AI LLMs with scraped Twitter data that he's poisoned with amplification of hate and disinformation. He doesn't want to share his precious I guess.

Mycotropic Jul 5, 2023

@futurebird I noticed that with FB in like 2004 or something, "it seems like their only business model is users creating content for boring people.'

Allan Chow Jul 5, 2023

@futurebird YOU WOULDNT DOWNLOAD A TWEET....

autumnagain Jul 5, 2023

@futurebird API isn't 'data pillaging' its the websties that are, they take all our personal data and sell it to advertisers