gylotipHow did Lemmy.world become more popular than Lemmy.ml?
I‘d guess .world is more popular than .ml.
You can’t create communities on Beehaw and they are abusing defederation, no wonder it’s not growing. I don’t know about lemmy.ml
How are they abusing defederation? They just want to protect their community from bad actors until Lemmy developers create better mod tools. Plus it is within their right to defederate, that’s the beauty of federation.
MetarightSomething being within your rights doesn't automatically mean it's good.
iAmTheTot"abusing" defederation lol... They're using it precisely as it's intended my guy.
When I had to choose I thought .world means, it‘s the central, most important place to be. Didn‘t know what the other abbreviations meant. Didn‘t care.
BaroqueInMindThe other abbreviations are simply website domains. FYI the ".ml" from the mail lemmy dev means Marxist-Leninist, because they are tankies.
How do we know that? Have they said so?
ml is the Internet country code top-level domain (ccTLD) for Mali. Introduced 29 September 1993 Intended use Entities connected with Mali Actual use Sees some use in Mali and for some websites about machine learning. Use is relatively rare elsewhere. Registration restrictions Yes, for free domains only
SJ_ZeroBoth of those instances tend to be fairly censorship heavy, so people who just want to have a chat will be less interested in joining an instance that’s going to shut down a conversation that they’re enjoying.
Before all this stuff with reddit went down, most of the instances on the threadiverse we’re fairly censorship heavy, and so people didn’t really bother coming over from the main fediverse. With the establishment of new and more liberal instances and the infusion of new users, the potential of Lemmy has really been unleashed. I’ve been really happy to see it.
Lemmy.ml is run by tankies who brook no criticism of Russia for its conduct of the war in Ukraine. I was on there, saw posts about the war being deleted and users who raise even pointed criticism at the mods/admins for their Russophilia get banned.
Fun fact: those tankies are also the developers of Lemmy overall… sigh
To the developers’ credit, it’s not like they actively promote their own views on the war and Russia openly. But they don’t want others to discuss the war on their instance and have moderated such discussions with a heavy hand.
I mean... forbidding any discussion of unpopular actions taken by Russia is pretty much an example of promoting their own views.
Yep agreed.
FizzThe lemmy devs have said they dont bring politics into their dev work and are happy to work with anyone.
Lemmy is also an open source application that can be forked at anytime.
It’s also using the activity pub protocol which means that any application can interact with the entire fediverse.
You can use kbin if you are still uncomfortable with lemmy then you can sign up to a kbin instance and view all the content you would view from a lemmy instance.
Yeah I’m ok with it for now, and will chalk it up as some guys being young and idealistic with strange idiosyncratic or edgy views they might grow out of.
I’ve seen their statements trying to walk it back and they seem generally very well intentioned, I give it the benefit of doubt for now.
This is really seeming to look like “dev team was unclear that they didn’t want politics on their server. They removed comments critical of Russia. Group of people ran with this as evidence they are pro-Russia/Anti-Ukraine. dev team tried to clarify their policies but it’s too late and the PR Shitstorm already happened”.
Tough spot to be in as a “startup” FOSS platform but could totally infer that’s how it is playing out.
It was all their own words though, not just content on the server, but anyhow no worry.
Hence why I'm on Kbin. Ernest is so much better as a dev.
ozenkbin has been my favourite so far
As long as it doesn't influence how they build the platform, them having absurd opinions isn't much of a problem for the users.
Kbin is an alternative. Totally different software.
I see no political posts on that instance. Might be that politics are banned on the instance?
When I first can to Lemmy there was a good bit of it, I think since then it’s been drowned out by all the less extreme folks.
IzzyMainly because signups were closed on Lemmy.ml and they were not on Lemmy.world.
fishosExactly this. I tried numerous times on lemmy.ml and never got an email back for the verification, so I just gave up. World is the next logical choice. Since beehaw is already defederating, if you're coming to the fediverse, joining an instance that's already isolating itself, even if it has good reasons, doesn't seem appealing. So lemmy.world it is. Tho here I am using my kbin mostly because then I have kbin, mastodon, and Lemmy integration all in one.
Lemmy.world is run by an actually competent admin who has experience running other Fediverse software.
@ruud - LemmyWorld
Admin of a lot of fediverse servers, among which the .world ones: - lemmy.world - mastodon.world - calckey.world You can find me on these servers as @ruud I receive a lot of messages, direct and mentions. I can’t reply to them all. If you have an issue, please e-mail at [email protected]
I already see a lot of slang bullying on these instances that claim to be inclusive. It's just like reddit forming the karen meme during thier anti bullying campaign.
DreamerOfImprobableDreamsTo be fair, "karen" actually started as slang in the US Black community, describing a white woman who deludes herself into thinking a normal Black person just existing in her vicinity is somehow a mortal threat to her and calls the cops on them.
But yeah, like pretty much every slang term invented by Black people to discuss racism that hits the mainstream, it got misused over and over until it lost all its original meaning. Nowadays, it basically means "a middle-aged woman does something I personally find annoying (including just existing in my vicinity)".
Beehaw isn't as well known in general. It's always the third one mentioned when discussing Lemmy or Kbin.
And Lemmy.ml has been banning people for criticizing China, so...yeah, no one outside of extremist types want to be a part of that.
WhiteTigerBeehaw is also... very particular. From what I can tell they want to encourage and magnify the closed-off, echo-chamber part of reddit.
Yeah, when I was looking for a post-redit home I checked out beehaw.
Strike 1: no downvotes
Strike 2: application period to create an account
Strike 3: I read the beehaw mod's "philosophy" posts and I got the general idea of what they were saying, but they just sounded a little... odd. Like they were thinking things through and were going around in circles without really getting anywhere. By contrast, the tildes.net philosophy posts seemed well-thought-out and very readable.
Their application questions are also kinda weird. I was gonna sign up for beehaw and the application really turned me off.
Arotrios@gylotip meanwhile I'm just sitting over on kbin.social, eating popcorn and watching the lemmy instances rant at each other. Come to the dark side - we have kookies!
crowsbyI see a lot of posts about how lemmy.ml admins are deleting any posts critical of Russia & China. Are there any receipts for those claims? I haven't seen any actual proof, just a whole lot of people saying tankie.
Saw a comment by the apollo dev advertising Lemme world on reddit. made the jump then.
victronBranding. More like the damn instance name. Lemmy.world sounds more... normal or official or whatever
Kinda surprised nobody mentioned this before. Like what is .ml? I've never heard of that. Lemmy.world is a much more approachable name.
Honestly a lot of the lemmy instance names are really bad too.
Like what is .ml?
It's the top level domain of the nation of Mali. But in this case, I've seen it referred to as an abbreviation for "Marxist-Leninist" because those Lemmy admins are Communists.
BeezKnutsThe reason I picked it out of the small list of options I was given when I made my account is because it was the only one I thought I could remember.
I signed up on the 12th, after spending a little time comparing with the information I had. My thought process was:
- I was uncomfortable with the fact that .ml was hosted in Malaysia
- I thought a larger instance might mean it sticks around longer, but didn’t really want to be on the largest (which .ml was)
- Beehaw seemed otherwise a good fit, but their policies seemed too restrictive
- .world seemed to have liberal policies, allowed NSFW, was large but not largest, and was hosted in a country that didn’t worry me
Can I ask what worries you about it being hosted on Malaysia?
I’m not any authority, and I could be just ignorant, but my understanding is that the Malaysian government makes liberal use of laws against sedition and that govern communication to silence dissent. There was an artist who has been jailed a couple times this year for political satire. That kind of atmosphere doesn’t seem like a good place to host communities that want free discussion.
That’s a pretty valid reason, I’ll have to look into it more as I already created an account on .ml. While I do call myself an anarchist/communist, I don’t zealously jump at the defense of a government without nuancing the situation.
Excep .ml isn’t the TLD for Malaysia… .my is. .ml is Mali.
And TLDs have little to do with where stuff is hosted. .it is Italy and .ai is Anguilla, but not always by Italian or Anguillan companies.
I was uncomfortable with the fact that .ml was hosted in Malaysia
Not to discount your other points, but lemmy.ml isn’t hosted in Malaysia. The .ml TLD is for Mali, a country in Africa. And the site is hosted by OVH, on servers in France.
I don’t think it stands for either, I saw somewhere that it stands for Marx-Lenin since the founders are communists
Classic communists, making their own tlds and everything
It is indeed a Mali domain, but of course people choose their domains because of their niche community - in case of .ml, it often stands for "Machine Learning". In this case I am pretty sure you are right and it is meant to represent " Marxist/Leninist" in this case, it is known that the instance admins are close to that ideology.
I was overwhelmed by the options of instances. Then Reddit is Fun had a pop up message suggesting to go to lemmy.world. I trusted Reddit is Fun so I followed its suggestion.
Plus it’s easier to say and communicate “lemmy world”
Joe BI actually started on lemmy.ml but it was always having issues so I went to lemmy.world and had better luck. Not saying lemmy.ml is bad I’m just saying it wasn’t working when I tried!
Same… signed up for lemmy.ml back in 2019. Didn’t use it much since there wasn’t much content being posted. After Reddit shit itself, I came back to my account and was noticing some severe slowdowns and a high error rate. Moving to lemmy.world has been better, though it also has been getting crushed. The admin seems more committed to scaling up though.
I went for the most generic “official” sounding name.
Underrated comment. I picked it because I had no idea what I was doing and it sounded all-encompassing and I wanted access to everything. I didn’t even know what an instance was. I just picked it because it sounded like a good guess to get access to all of Lemmy.
Yeah same. But from .world we’re able to access all the other instances right?
Well, not beehaw right now.
lemmy.ml really lagged in the early days and the first post on lemmy.world was /u/Ruud bragging about new hardware and how it’s all running smoothly with the influx