My attitude on the Kolektiva breach is close to what my attitude was when I pointed out Riseup's canary had gone dead and then shit blew up.

It's bad. It's not quite as bad as some people imply. Admins fucked up by failing to have better security from get-go, but they're not maliciously or dishonest and some of their moves make some sense. Still. The catastrophe was locked in when radicals accepted community centralization. Probably their greater sin is de facto encouraging that centralization.

Generally in these cases part of the reason the community centralizes is that the admins are elders with wide connections and respect from eons doing shit. This means that they really do care and have generally good practices, and are sincerely trying their best re the trolley problems that involve how much to reveal on certain things.

But goddamn, I'm sick of older anarchist techies like Moxie w Signal embracing centralization.

I say that while continuing to sit on mastodon .social, because I don't trust a small server to not fall over in a year from admin life situation stuff and force me to rebuild followers on an endless treadmill, and I've long been worried Kolektiva would go down from its centralization as THE anarchist server. We need better ways to backup and transfer and we need better ways to bootstrap new admins with the tools to keep smaller servers up.
@rechelon there's also some important reminders that this is a suitable place for making connections and sharing ideas, but not one for organising directly. We have to act like all the feds are here, because, of course, they are.

@dznz

Yeah, I mean this should go without saying. Every DM is fed-readable, but still, one standard raid shouldn't pick up a whole database, and when it does it should be fewer people than kolektiva grew to.

@rechelon totally agree.