Eniko (moved ➡ gamedev.place)Jun 29, 2023

Am I the only one worried about devs getting caught in false positives with the valve banning AI assets thing? Cause I seem to be the only one. I don't trust Valve farther than I can throw them so I'm not sure I trust them with this

Like I know people hate AI work but if that hatred leads you to say "yes I fully expect Valve to be accurate, fair and reasonable about this" then I think you may have let your hate carry you somewhere bad because Valve is not known for those things on the back end. If you don't believe me ask people who've had their external key capabilities stripped or games that have been branded as "adult games" even though they're not. Or ask devs who make porny games which exist in a superimposed quantum state of being allowed and being banned at the same time

Show threadEniko (moved ➡ gamedev.place)Jun 29, 2023

How is Valve going to curate against AI work? Are they going to run an algorithm to detect it? Because studies are already coming out that those algorithms have a high degree of false positives. Elsewhere someone said they're doing it on text, too. Recently a study came out that said AI detection algorithms disproportionately falsely flagged text written by non native English speakers as "AI generated"

How are you supposed to prove to Valve that you created something yourself? Seems like it'd be pretty hard to impossible. What is the burden of proof required? If you hired a freelancer, is the contract sufficient proof? What if that contractor did use AI generation, unbeknownst to you?

Hate to be the slippery slope gal but I can see many ways this could screw over devs who never did anything wrong

Show threadEniko (moved ➡ gamedev.place)Jun 29, 2023
Sorry if I'm not cheering about a situation where innocent people are gonna inevitably get caught in the crossfire
Show threadEniko (moved ➡ gamedev.place)Jun 29, 2023
And we all know Valve is never gonna hire a team of humans to adjudicate this. Their MO is to set up an algorithmic system and then forget about it and good luck to you if you ever find yourself on the wrong end of the system, because *nobody* in the indie space has a Valve rep anymore, so good luck ever talking to an actual human being who can do more than quote their rulebook at you
Show threadAbyssal RookJun 29, 2023
@eniko Steam has been flooded with no-effort asset flip copy-paste jobs for literal years. I'm going to be honest, it's a LITTLE weird that they're so stuck in this that they want to automate the entire process.
Show threadEniko (moved ➡ gamedev.place)
@AbyssalRook might be because of impending EU legislation?
Jun 29, 2023 at 2:54pmWeb