ericfloJun 24, 2023
Am I living in a different planet from the rest of the commenters here? We have much more to gain from this than they do.
Show threadTronesJun 24, 2023

Look up what happened to XMPP (Jabber) when Google "integrated" with them.

https://ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-networks.html

Show threadqazwsxedcrfv000Jun 24, 2023

Basically the sequence of events as claimed by the author is that:

  • XMPP small niche, small circles
  • Google launches Talk that was XMPP compatible
  • Millions joined Talk that could coop XMPP in theory
  • The coop worked only sparingly and was unidirectional, i.e. Talk to XMPP ✅ but XMPP to Talk ❌
  • Talk sucked up existing XMPP users as it was obviously a better option (bandwagon effect + unidirectional "compatibility" with XMPP)
  • Talk defederated

    • This demonstrated exactly the importance of reciprocity. If Meta plays dirty, defederate them then. Now is just too premature. Also frankly it is Meta that has more to lose than the fediverse at this moment as the bulk of users and thus the content are with Meta.

    Show threadSpzi

    If Meta plays dirty, defederate them then. Now is just too premature.

    These actors play nice until they are too big to ignore. If you let them gain that much ground, it’s too late to isolate them without doing even more harm to your own network.

    Also Meta is not a startup with unknown reputation. Meta plays dirty, that’s a given.

    Jun 24, 2023 at 4:02pmWeb
    Show threadqazwsxedcrfv000Jun 24, 2023
    They are already big. They have the users. They have the content. That is why they stay afloat with their ad business. That makes them valuable. It does not hurt if they are really sharing the treasure trove with us (which does not appear to be case after all if Verge is right). Rather laughably, you can say they have hurt us enough they can hurt us no more.
    Show threadSpziJun 24, 2023

    Sorry for being unclear. What I meant is:

    These actors play nice until they are too big to ignore [as a presence in the fediverse].

    When they run the most and the biggest popular communities on their instances, do most of the development, offer the best tools and services in the fediverse, they have become too big to ignore.

    If they then start playing dirty, it is too late to defederate them. They will play dirty. Let’s not make ourselves dependent.