ilexIs Lemmy more likely to succeed than Voat? Why or why not?
lynnyVoat died because they took a max free speech approach, even allowing racism and stuff. Lemmy does not have a central administration that can make decisions like that, as each instance gets to decide if they federate with another instance or not.
There's no doubt going to be a banlist that gets shared amongst the biggest, most popular instances to get rid of the trolls.
BiscuitI don't know, I was there in the beginning. I think it died because it had no real content, compared to reddit. And, all anyone talked about was reddit, or reposted stuff from reddit, just like we're seeing here. I think this might stick a bit better because reddit is way bigger than it was back then, so even if the same % of users came over, it would still be quite a bit more content.
The reasons were less tangible before. Taking away popular apps will have a much bigger impact than some subreddit drama.
Taking away popular apps to a social network that doesn't have any? What?
How many times have you gone to reddit today?
None.
Ok, now let's ask the 99.9% of Redditors that aren't here. You take the left 25,000,000, I'll take the right, meet back in 5. Go!
edit: Oh man, I'm out of breath. We might need help. How about every single lemmy user helps us! That's only about 1,300 people we each have to ask! Well, 1,299 for me. At 4 seconds each, that's should only be about 1.5 hours. See you all soon!
What are you on about? Yeah obviously people still visit Reddit, it was stupid of you to ask in the first place. I thought this kind of idiocy would've stayed at Reddit.
BlackCoffeeShould we care that other people still use reddit?
Do you have to chose one or the other?
Why are people so hell bent to "take over" Reddit?
I found an alternative in Kbin and Lemmy that suits my needs and focuses on user experience and growing communities instead of growing the pockets of a handful of people.
I decide to not use Reddit anymore because the upper echelon can go fuck themselves.
Is it so weird to have a set of values and stop using a service/product, because they cross the boundaries one has set for themselves?
I have used Reddit for more than a decade and I haven't missed it all.
edit: I was part of this attempted migration, not the hate one. This isn't the first blackout for reddit being shitty.
It's the first one where average users were affected beyond the blackout, though. Other than the alt-righters nobody wanted there and weren't going to follow when they left. Patriots.win isn't a real community either, it's just constant Trump, Biden, and "democrats bad" content.
It's the first one where average users were affected beyond the blackout, though.
I think this makes the very big assumption that the average user uses third party apps. All of the polls on reddit, that I saw, suggested this is not true. For example.
The blackouts showed that the majority of people actually contributing to the site use third party apps
How so? Nobody could post when the mods turned off the sites. How could anything be teased from that?
1984You know third party apps can't use the polls feature, right? Right?
BlueForestDevtbh the culture here is reddit in its purest form right now. once they start sanitizing everything here again I'm out. One opinion allowed ONLY and if you dont align you're a NAZI and FAR RIGHT TROLL
I'm seeing red whistles and hearing dog flags coming from you! Am I doing it right?
I do not know how to solve this but the disagree = down vote thing has gone crazy. It seems to have become next to impossible to have a civil discussion online nowadays about an alternate opinions. It feels like everyone just wants to have their beliefs confirmed and never have their opinions questioned.
There was a time when messages didn't have scores. ;)
I like the idea of the score modifying placement in the comment tree, but not being visible. I also like the idea of a more expressive score (maybe normalized), I suppose like the emoji systems do, to indicate funny, angry, etc, rather than some silly binary.
Or maybe up and downvotes are meaningless and karma has no value. I think it's a way of polling opinion on a topic. Lemmy is not Reddit. Users have no accumulated karma, downvotes don't hide comments and Post's default comment sort is by New.
TheDeadGuyPeople are really bent out of shape with others disagreeing with them. You aren't being silenced, you're being polled and that's not a problem.
Now if you are harassed because of it, that's a different subject than a simple downvote
I've had plenty of civil discussions online where I had an alternate opinion from the zeitgeist. On Reddit.
Generally speaking, if you aren't alt right scum, people are agreeable. If you believe people should be allowed to live how they want as long as it isn't hurting people, and nobody should be treated differently because of an inherent, born characteristic, people may not be happy with your opinion but they'll at least listen to you.
I suspect your downvotes are due to your ridiculous all or nothing speculation. No one can base the future on what's happening right now. Yet you're speculating it's already failed. What a shit take.
We don't know if the fediverse will succeed yet on a larger scale. Sometimes migration is instant, like with digg, sometimes it takes time, like with Facebook exodus which is continuing as i type this. Not to mention people weren't prepared for this migration so none of the tools to make it a replacement have been in place. But now people are actively working on building out the community. Maybe we'll know in a couple years if this is a successful endeavor on a Reddit type scale. But we don't know yet.
your ridiculous all or nothing speculation
How is it ridiculous? It's my 2 cent opinion, lightly founded in observation of when this happened several times in the past, with this and several other platforms, to a question that requires speculation about the future.
Are you going to downvote all of the people saying it will succeed? Wtf?
entropicshartHonestly - I agreed with the first paragraph of your comment and was going to upvote, but all the edits made me reconsider; this is a place to share our thoughts, not worry about how many people up/down-ticked our comment.
Throw out a thought and forget the "karma"!
but all the edits made me reconsider
not worry about how many people up/down-ticked our comment.
The first was an afterthought that I wanted to include. The second was because I realized my time trying Voat was close to the hate subs that the majority of the comments here are about. Neither were about up/down.
The last one was a lighthearted joke. I thought the last few sentences of it would make that clear. With an empty /m/funny and /m/jokes, and a /m/memes full of constipation, I'm beginning to suspect my humor may not be well align here.
I haven't logged into reddit since overwriting and deleting 12 years of content. So, I dunno man. I also haven't logged into Twitter since Musk took over.
I think that you're right, that reddit won't die. But I think that things like this, if not this exact thing, are going to be reasonable alternatives for many people.
I used the internet since 1998 and I remember when Reddit was this little known site with not a lot of users. It took years for Reddit to get where it is right now.cl Lemmy will likely take that trajectory or perhaps, be a second Reddit but with better discussions.
For Lemmy, if all goes well, will take years to have a significant amount of active users. Perhaps subreddits will slowly deteriorate, pushing more people toward Lemmy... No one knows what the future holds....
Yeah if I recall correctly the right wing hardcore guys really only took over Voat after the Reddit Migration guys died down.
exohumanYeah, I see people advocating for that here, but the truth is that most people don’t want to deal with constant hate and trolls. People want to feel welcome in a community.
It turns out that people stop valuing things like "free speech" and "tolerance" when people try to use those values to force them to tolerate assholes.
It wasn’t “even allowing racism and stuff”. It was created pretty much solely to be a safe space for assholes.
Turns out that doesn’t keep the lights running.
The first big migration happened to Voat when fatpeoplehate was banned.
yukichigaiVoat died because they took a max free speech approach, even allowing racism and stuff.
It cannot be stressed enough how core this was to Voat's identity, and also how much it poisoned the entire platform. When even objecting to bigotry is against the ethos of the site then there's no way to build a healthy community, much less an inclusive one.
Also if anyone is curious how much of a cesspool Voat became, here's the most "upvoated" for the month just six months before the site shut down. Warning: lots of bigotry.
VoxAdActaIf that showed up on some Lemmy instance, you'd still have people saying "Defederation is bad! Marketplace of ideas! Just block them and move on! It's just one person!" :sigh:
I need to take warnings a lot more seriously on this site. That's the second time I disregarded a warning and hate myself for it.
I remember when voat happened, I only wish it took more of Reddit (and maybe a ceo) with it.
I only had to read the post title before noping out. Jfc that’s bad.
That's not bigotry. That's flat out lunacy at this stage.
Holy shit, that’s bad. Who would want to be liable for hosting deplorable stuff like that?
Nobody as it turns out, or at least not for very long.
Ko'variHuh. That archive looks just like I’m looking at /pol.
What a cesspool. I can’t help but laugh.
bumblyThe strength of the fediverse is that there can be a right wing fediverse, a left wing fediverse, a centralist fediverse, yada yada yada. Entire networks of different, unconnected instances can exist. There will probably be instances in between that act as bridges or for gathering stats.
It will be interesting to watch, but at least people will be able to join the instances with communities they like. The problem of course is that echo chambers are more likely to evolve, but it's not like that isn't the case right now.
And once we get instance bridged with the dark web, it could allow content from countries like China, North Korea, Iran, and other places that don't want information getting out.
I think we're already seeing that a lot of the groups are going to be left-leaning, and since the system is decentralized by design, it's not going to be attractive to people that are right-wing and have authoritarian views. E.g., they won't be able to force other people to see what they say. (Remember the shitstorm of whining when TheDonald was removed from the front page so that 99% of people didn't see it anymore?)
I’m Iranian. Lemmy isn’t even filtered in Iran, it’s readily accessible
AntikTrump Traitor supporting subs have already been called out and others urged to defederize with them (is that the right phrasing? I’m still new to this).
For that reason alone, I feel like Lemmy will-at the very least–last longer than Voat as a viable reddit alternative.
*Defederate
ImPastaSyndromeDefecate them out
st3ph3nDefenestrate them!
People seem super jazzed about the decentralized nature of Lemmy and other stuff in the “fediverse”. I don’t really understand how it works but it seems cool that Lemmy isn’t a single
company/website. Can’t have a power tripping CEO or a board that panders to shareholders that way.
Need to be careful though; just like with the web and email, it can have standards capture where a few corporations control the standard and the main clients used to access the service.
And just like Gopher, Lemmy could conceivably just fade away via neglect.
Personally, I’d love to see someone create an ActivityPub interface for Gopher so it could have its overdue resurgence :D
People over complicate federation. I write federated software so lemme break it down. Federation just means data sharing. When you post something on a federation enabled website it sends a copy of your post to everyone who follows you and tells their service to store your data in their database in addition to their own data. What this means is that you can't just blow up a server to shut it down because everyone in the game has a copy.
Thanks for the simple explanation. Maybe my naivety is even deeper than I thought…
Dumb question - is Lemmy.World a server or is each community within Lemmy.World a server?
Phantom_EngineerThere was one Voat. When the one Voat goes bust, Voat goes bust. Like any enterprise, it's failure can be attributed, at least in part, to poor management.
There are many Lemmy's. If one Lemmy collapses, another Lemmy can take its place. The individual instances might be less stable than a centralized social media site, like Voat was, but when federated the whole unit is more resilient than centralized social media.
Hence the name Lemmy.
Even if a bunch of instances follow each other off a cliff, there’s still going to be plenty who didn’t join that group that will survive.
WhiteTigerWait, what does the name Lemmy mean?
Nihiloreguessing they're referring to Lemmings, who were mistakenly believed to follow each other off cliffs
Guru_Meditation_I thought it was named after https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ihlVbZAPxRk
Yep, worst case some big lemmy communities go bust, but then people can readily just go to other instances.
MiddleWeighI don't want "feasible alternative to reddit" tbh. Fediverse is its own thing and it's whatever we make it. We have tools to decide what content we see on our end. We have instances that all have slightly different vibes. Lemmy is just a multiverse, populated by people. So far most people here are cool.
If there becomes an instance that is breeding hatred, they get defederated. The end user can then decide to make an acct there if they wanna see that stuff.
That may not resonate with some people I guess. I really like it's simple organic nature and it allows for flexibility.
Lemmy's FOSS and federated nature are its biggest advantages.
No, because Lemmy is not a platform, its a software that can be run on a server, and that server running the code is called an instance. The instance is where the platform is. An instance can communicate with other instances, which is called federation. Instances that are deemed problematic by another instance owner can become "defederated" meaning communication is cut off. One well known instance being defederated is lemmygrad.ml, which is an instance that promotes authoritarian-left political views. Another instance is exploding-heads.com (don't know if I spelt it correctly, I don't care), which has far-right content.
TLDR: Lemmy is not a singular platform, but an interconnected network of servers (instances). Lemmy will not "die" anytime soon, but certain instances can die.