BotItWagner mercenary chief calls for armed rebellion against Russian military leadership
RalphensnitchThis is even better then Zuck vs Musk. Hopefully it amounts to something.
The folks in the Ukraine sublemmy are following this very closely, and say the fighting has started.
https://lemmy.world/post/484743
SoPunnyThere have been unconfirmed videos show a convoy and small arms fire supposedly in Rostov just outside where the Southern Military command is.
https://nitter.net/Stanovaya/status/1672360894515363841#m
https://nitter.net/Stanovaya/status/1672371087005417472#m
This made me laugh
https://nitter.net/bluenicks_99/status/1672402676074643457#m
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zalackCan you point me towards me a brief overview of Rostov, whose territory it's in, and it's strategic importance? I've mostly been following the geopolitics of the war and not the actual fronts/troop movements except at a very very high level.
Rostov is In Russia a border city Rostov is east of Mariupol Ukraine. it being a border city strategically it's logistic point, it's very far from the front, a disruption here could potentially assist Ukraine in wearing down points at the front this may sow chaos in Russian command,break morale.
So I wish I could, maybe ISW ? I’ve been reading their daily updates for a year now, and just absorbed a lot. Dmitri@ war translated is good. There are also some good substacks.
ISW: https://www.understandingwar.org/
This is a retired Aus general, great info. https://open.substack.com/pub/mickryan/p/prigozhin-crosses-the-rubicon
Also Phillip O’Brien Substack and Andrews substack, literally their name I believe.
Also this lady https://nitter.net/Stanovaya
Wiki Rostov on Don
And Ftten had a good summary.
MiddleWeighThis is crazy. Perhaps a moment of self reflection? I am very interested to see where this goes. Somethings gotta give. I'd feel, in my bones, that I was dying for nothing, if I was a Russian soldier. Then I look around and realize everyone feels the same and we have guns and military equipment. Maybe it'll spark something larger.
Please resist the urge to romanticize this.
Wagner are literally neo-nazi terrorists who, until somewhat recently, were officially a PMC group for the purposes of doing the shit so heinous that even putin wanted plausible deniability. Think Blackwater except the crimes against humanity were the point rather than a fun side effect.
Prigozhin was likely on his way to the chopping block as he was potentially a political rival and basically was having his army taken away. So he and his army are now engaging in a coup.
Think of this less as the russian army "having enough" and more as a violent uprising by a warlord... against a fascist.
Sorry if thats how it came across.
I realize this guy is just another warlord, trying to save his own ass, but the people around him and below him are just people who don't want to die, but need some kind of reassurance, even if its based on a bad person doing self serving things, sometimes that's all it takes in a situation that sucks, to tip a domino. One potential opening.
I'm not really sure how to unromanticize life tbh. We're talking about based human nature here. Whether you like to admit it or not, is largely dictated by emotions. It could go any number of ways.
I am not there.
Again, do some research on Wagner. They are capital E Evil with a few Heil Hitlers thrown in for good measure.
This isn't like the Azov Battalion where there were a LOT of evil mother fuckers but there had been a slow effort to get rid of them. Wagner cultivates that evil white supremacist mindset.
Again, think of this less as heroic soldiers having enough. Think of it more as a neo nazi and his goons are pretty much the only well equipped soldiers in the entire country and the national guard are just keeping their heads down... to avoid having them crushed with a sledgehammer in a ritualistic execution.
I am downright GIDDY that putin is probably going to be dead within the next week or two. I am downright terrified that Prigozhin and his neonazi fucks are going to be a nuclear power.
Oh I agree completely, anyone in a position of power in that situation, is highly likely to be unfit for the job, by my standards. I'm not a nazi, this whole thing is fkd up, and I sure as hell don't want one evil replaced with another flavor of evil. Tbh, all I know is that i feel for the people stuck in the meat grinder, and I personally do not know how to make sweeping changes to how we treat eachother, so I can only hope for extremely incremental changes. I'm not saying this is one I want, but, what I want is easily impossible to really attain, and I'm not sure what exactly the appropriate action is. The people I'd want to take charge, frankly, will never be in that position. They're all too busy trying to survive.
Sounds like he's building (or supporting the building of) a case for popular, military backed opposition to the war
DreamyDolphinI wonder how much of this stems from that announcement a few weeks back that Wagner was going to be subordinated to the MoD? I haven't heard anything about it since it was announced (since my main source of information was that front page of the internet which just descended into its own civil war...) From vague recollection, Prigozhin said he was refusing to sign any contracts formalising such arrangements but Putin was backing the defence minister Shoigu on this one, to presumably try and rein in Wagner a bit and keep the game of musical chairs going as Putin's underlings all vied for influence without anyone being the clear heir apparent.
Looks like it may have backfired spectacularly if so, because Prigozhin had to have known it would have meant his end if he'd accepted Shoigu's control, and, as Sun-Tzu warns, a cornered animal (or army) with no way out will fight to the death.
niktemadur"Three Day Special Operation, comrade. Nazhdarovia."
talRob Lee is collecting a number of videos of the situation on Twitter.
Rob Lee (@RALee85)
Russian channels are sharing a video allegedly showing a Wagner column in Rostov. Can’t tell the location from the footage (or the original source), but the lead vehicle looks like a Chekan MRAP, which is used by Wagner. https://t.me/warhistoryalconafter/107842 https://t.me/rosgvardia67/23208
I don't imagine another fascist being on the throne helps, is there a positive outcome from this? Maybe it will greatly hinder their war effort?
CoderKatI think the biggest gain is simply that this guy and likely any other Putin replacement would end the war in Ukraine, because they know it's a waste of lives, money, and reputation. It's hard to be worse than Putin at this point.
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