For anyone who lacks the advanced level of age I mean experience some of us have, you should read this Wikipedia page on Embrace, Extend, and Extinguish

I guarantee this is the goal of Meta joining the fediverse

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish

Embrace, extend, and extinguish - Wikipedia

@joshbressers This. So much this. The "wait and see" attitude that some people have with Meta is concerning for this very scenario.

@simplenomad @joshbressers "Meta has never, ever, ever prioritized the privacy and safety of users over profit at any point in their history and has frequently embraced new tech only to force people into their implementation and then cut off support for other implementations but I'm sure this time will be different!"

/s

@emberquill @simplenomad @joshbressers defederating wouldn't prevent that. Them having a service in the fediverse doesn't give them more access to our information than they already have now. #ActivityPub isn't private.
@trekman10 @simplenomad @joshbressers Defederating doesn't prevent Meta from reading data, however federation does open up additional avenues for Meta to violate privacy and online safety beyond just reading our data. Serving targeted ads to people who don't even use their website, for example. Enabling stalking and harassment and all the other nasty behaviors that instance moderators try to prevent, because let's face it: we already know their moderation will be inadequate. And so on.

@emberquill @simplenomad @joshbressers like somehow getting ads on the feed for my current mastodon account? wouldn't be any different than muting or blocking the irrelevant posters in the hashtags I follow, since there's no way they'd be able to do actual sponsored posts, as far as my understanding of Mastodon goes.

Or so you mean using what i post on mastodon to serve ads to me elsewhere? Because again, they already can do that and I have extensions and methods to circumvent that.

@trekman10 @simplenomad @joshbressers There are many things they could do. Most of them would immediately out them as trying to kill or seriously twist the Fediverse but I'm always suspicious of large companies entering environments where there doesn't seem to be a market for them. After all, how does Meta plan to profit from entering the Fediverse? Until I know the answer to that question, I'm suspicious by default.

They're developing their own application, not just a Meta-branded Mastodon instance. They can inject all sorts of garbage into the federated timeline. They can decide not to allow federation for posts they don't like, or repeatedly boost posts they *do* like. They could use any username on their instance or create new ones on the fly to circumvent user-level blocking. They could send out ads disguised as posts from users you follow.

A lot of the way Fediverse servers behave is based on trust in admins and an agreement to not abuse the system. I don't *trust* Meta.

@emberquill @trekman10 @joshbressers Grabbing everything from your profile and everything from your post and creating a “digital imprint”. Taking this imprint and matching it up with everything else they have. Selling the information to a data broker who will do the same. You not having a “say” in the matter since it is a public posting. That’s the first concern. Then the next concern which is even bigger, is the “embrace, extend, extinguish” method that Microsoft is known for. Large corporations do this for increasing “market share” which means they do it for money.

@simplenomad @emberquill @joshbressers my point is, they can take digital fingerprints now. I also am not sure if defederate-on-site will prevent EEE from happening considering how many instances have said they wouldn't, and now how there's instances saying they'll defederate those ones too. It has always been a matter of time, since it is FOSS, before companies make their way here.

I do think that #ActivityPub is structured in such a way to be naturally resistant to it.