I want to apologize again for the sudden block from mstdn to .art💔
Some say it's because they where bashing on meta but that's untrue.
The admin was spreading mis information about the discussion that only fueled the fire and not the discussion with knowing any of the facts
If a "user" does this we can handle accordingly but when an admin does this it's getting worrisome
We should not figh each other but rather talk about it like adults, and also I am to blame in this
It won't happen again
Another thing I would like to adres is the death threats against mods and admins in the Fediverse
No matter what you oppion is about the meta discussion, this is not acceptable behaviour and it hurt so damn much
Please try to be civil about this so we can talk and discus this and keep the channels open
But please, stop with making death threats to people. It really has an impact
Let's talk
@stux death threats? Seriously?
Come on guys, this isn't Twitter. Let's keep it that way.
@surak @stux the meta thing really feels like the “villain of the week” nonsense Twitter was known for..
I get the concerns , I do, but come on.. extending ActivityPub to something Meta will push is amazing. We can offer a hand at last to the “masses” and either walk alongside them or tempt them over to social-good spaces over for-profit.
What a vote of confidence in the technology as well!!
@wiredfire @stux To me the most obvious part is:
We don't know anything yet.
Only that they are developing an app that will speak ActivityPub.
We don't know if it will be implemented completely.
We don't know if they will allow account migration (probably not, and that would be a deal breaker).
So can we please calm the fuck down.
Here's a cookie 🍪
Meta has a twenty year history of malfeasance.
They are requiring people to be bound legally before even talking to them - in a Federated system.
They aren't even pretending to be good guys, now, in the early phases.
Hard pass.
@surak @stux @TomSwirly the NDAs make sense from a business angle, I get that they’re not wanting to show their hand as yet.
I’m more intrigued that they’re wanting to actively engage with some fedi admins.
Either way I’m more interested in having a route for the people who are less technical or otherwise interested enough to have a gateway to decentralised platforms. That is a HUGE opportunity.
@wiredfire @surak @stux The NDAs benefit them, at the expense of us.
A gateway would allow people to leave FB with their data. But that will never happen.
Facebook is a morally evil company. Their goal will be to make as much money from the Fediverse as they can, by any means, honorable or not, and our ethos, our needs, our wants, will be worthless.
Hard no.
@TomSwirly @surak @stux I’m no fan of Facebook, but I *am* a fan of interoperability & removal of barriers.
Facebook opening up to ActivityPub gives *people* more access to participate & interact with fedi. Or at least it would if we weren’t seeing the preemptive blocks.
I’m interested in people and how this could open things up for folk who aren’t technical / in the know enough to “get it”.
Prising open siloed corners of the web to interact outside themselves is also tremendous.
@TomSwirly @surak @stux but I get that you and I are going to disagree on this, and that is absolutely ok.
It’s a big fedi. There’s space for folk and communities to isolate themselves from it and places for those who want to explore how this goes. That’s the beauty of it. We have that choice and the option.
You don't address the actual issue - that Facebook is an evil company.
And that's just the tip of the iceberg. We have decades of malfeasance and dishonesty.
Why should we federate with evil rapacious companies?
The moral and ethical questions are the only issues. You can't just ignore them out of existence.
@TomSwirly @surak @stux it’s not that I don’t address the issue, it’s that you and I have differing philosophies on how to approach it.
Which, as I say, is absolutely ok.
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