@Techmeme

What weird arguments..

1. “billions of good people” on #facebook cut of from the #fediverse. - not at all, they are welcome to join mastodon instances. Its not like they are bound to facebook by blood. The pact is not trying to block people, but to block a cooperation.

2. “convicting Facebook pre-crime”, that is exactly why people were more open to federate with #BlueSky. Facebook has shown time and time again it’s face, fueling freaking genocides. They don’t get the benefit of the doubt like BlueSky may have had in the beginning.

Honestly everybody writing an article like this has failed on doing any research on the subject or even listening to the reasoning from the mods signing the pact.

I am not saying, your opinion should be to block facebook. But you should at least realize, that the discussion is a lot more nuanced than this.

@Techmeme This happened to Jabber years ago. Big companies, seeing the value in luring in Jabber audience, added protocol support to their chat platforms just long enough to capture folks, and closed open accesses soon after.

I certainly can't see how Meta factors long-term openness and federation of their platform in their business strategy.

@Techmeme

It's a little late to stop ye olde "embrace, extend, and extinguish" if you don't catch on before the "extend" phase.

@Techmeme I agree with the move. “It will keep Mastodon small(!?)” Yes, that's kind of the point. Not everything needs to be massive or to grow indefinitely. Facebook only has bots, automated content, advertisement and misinformation. Why would we want that here?

Yes the point of federation is to be open, the flip side is to be closed to undesirables. We choose whom to block and whom to follow. Under this logic we should just accept CSAM instances, no? But that's not how any of this works.

@Techmeme https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September

Not really sure which that argues, but seems relevant.

@Techmeme portraying this as petty is not only insulting but stupid.

It applies human interpersonal standards to interactions between a community of actual humans with a proven vile sociopathic monster of a corporation.

Humans of the fedi have the right to judge Meta and say we don't want them to be part of our community - without being described as petty. Meta has no right to be part of any community that doesn't want it.

@Techmeme
facebook's gonna be forced to defed/censor me and my friends eventually anyway — for occasional nudity on the TL, for posting incredibly mean things about conservatives, for breaking some kind of information embargo the big companies are trying to enforce, for generally being a little bit unruly in a way the big companies don't like

so why should i give a shit about integrating with facebook?