Jade Strom🏳️‍⚧️Jun 19, 2023

Last boost, WAY too many people seem to be freaking out about Meta's move, in a way that seems counter to why I like the Fedisphere.

Even if it was a Microsoft style, Embrace, Expand, Exterminate tactic, that would involve US moving to their servers, which... sorry ain’t happening.

Yes, we should look at what Meta is doing skeptically, but we should let them do it because damn it, if they implement correctly, it would also mean moving *OUT* of their environment is easier.

Open Data is a two way street, in AND out of a system.

Show threadElectric Keet, SN76489 enjoyerJun 19, 2023
@jadedfox Letting them poison the well just because they might offer up an antidote is... well, that's a take.
Show threadJade Strom🏳️‍⚧️Jun 19, 2023
@electrickeet HOW does it poison? Seriously. That hasn't been explained yet. How does it change your interactions at all with the rest of the fedisphere? Unless you are concerned about a “September that Never Ended" style event, and well, that is ALSO fixable. Start blocking then. Them accessing us only allows people to see what is out there, and when others show it's better with good moderation, it may encourage others to move off their servers. It's no different than Alt-Right folks making servers. Once they do anything wrong kick 'em to the block. It's open source, and those of us out here can be WATCHING for ill intent, and unlike with say Internet Explorer, we won't accept their changes unless it's also open source. So where is the poison?
Show threadElectric Keet, SN76489 enjoyerJun 19, 2023

@jadedfox Defederation stops the poison, yes. It sounded like you were advocating for opening up to them, which just... ugh.

So what do you mean by "freaking out" then?

Show threadJade Strom🏳️‍⚧️

@electrickeet I’m advocating for letting them actually break rules first, not just judging them based on who they are. I sure as hell won't touch their stuff. But punishing for what someone may do, well... that's what bigots are using against us. It feels wrong to me.

And I'm also advocating that the system is strong enough that they won't be able to hurt us if they start to misbehave, because then POOF gone. We'll have too many people looking for even the SLIGHTEST fuck ups from them.

This isn't the Nazi bar situation, and preemptively defedding them, while it won't hurt us, it also doesn't help us. We could get some users that are stuck in that ecosystem OUT, banning them before they have a chance to see what’s out there, their first impression of the fedisphere will be the ones that don't ban, which I promise the nazis, the trolls, and the jerks won’t.

Let a rule be broken, then ban hammer, but if no rules are being broken, is there harm?

Jun 19, 2023 at 11:50pmWeb
Show threadJade Strom🏳️‍⚧️Jun 19, 2023

@electrickeet
All that said, Corp CONTROL? FUCK no. Absolutely not. We keep this open, keep this ours. Any changes they may suggest are gonna be looked at so tightly, and all of us out here can refuse anything that is not completely open and free. (And, if they do it anyway, ban then, and ban any instances that take those changes)

But punishing for Pre-Crimes, as Gruber put it, is very Orwellian (well, more PK Dick, but…) in way that makes me very uncomfortable, even for multi billion dollar corps.

Show threadElectric Keet, SN76489 enjoyerJun 19, 2023

@jadedfox They are totally the Nazi bar. The Nazi bar is exactly the right metaphor to use here, in the very literal "there will be literal fucking Nazis if you let them in the door at all" sense. Letting the Nazis in won't help rescue anyone, it'll just help the Nazis spread.

Honestly, I'm a little worried that you don't see it.