Spaceman2901r/ModCoord has officially recommended migration off of Reddit.
kbin.social was the first thing on the recommended list. #RedditMigration
EggyheadI will be thrilled if we end up with some experienced Reddit mods running communities or instances of their own.
subignitionIt will be an interesting time for sure. I hope it can work out in a way that skilled moderators can be compensated for their efforts. It seems like donation-supported instances for niche communities isn't too unrealistic right now, though that doesn't solve the volunteer labor problem. Cleverer things will probably become possible as the technology improves.
kaduTook them a million years, but finally. Many of them weren't quite happy with the idea of migrating to platforms where they aren't the main moderators anymore.
Though (well, I'm biased) I'd say recommending Lemmy over Kbin at the moment would be better, given the number of fully working instances
Lots of people take issue with the political leanings of the Lemmy developers which may be why it's lower on the list, although I agree that it is more established.
In any case, that's the beauty of the fediverse. Create an account on both, or choose just one and cross-subscribe to communities you like.
I won't dive deeper into this issue not because I'm against the debate, but because I made it my personal goal on Lemmy to avoid such topics.
But I'll say this: people are happily using software from the GNU foundation and they do not keep repeatedly bringing up the political opinions of the founder. So to me, this looks like a very flawed and one sided argument.
Lemmy is got, today, instances that are in direct opposition to every single worldview of it's founders - and they can't do anything to control that. Great! That's how it should be.
MiddleWeighI'm in agreement. The nature of the platform allows for people to organize as they see fit and there's nothing inherently evil in the code. Sure, it is set up sort of like communism, but it's decentralized in a way where it is more solely about the will of the people instead of one authority.
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MelpomeneAwesome! Though I guess we should probably start thinking about spinning up new instances to handle the load if Reddit actually implodes entirely.
Captain ApatheticI feel like federation let's this basically be what many want reddit to be, a platform by the userbase, for the userbase.
Exactly. Capitalist platforms will all suffer from enshitification. They will eventually have to make money, and users are products. Their shareholders will eventually force the platforms to extract money from their users.
SwingingKoalaWhat do you mean, the users have already doing unpaid work for the platforms from the start. The shareholders simply take that for granted and think they can fuck them over and take twice as much value from them.
When we are talking about enshittification, we're talking about these stages:
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Initial Stage: When a platform starts, it needs users, so it makes itself valuable to users. It provides services that are beneficial to the users, attracting them to the platform.
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Second Stage: Once the platform has a substantial user base, it starts to abuse its users to make things better for its business customers. It starts prioritizing its business needs over the needs of the users.
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Final Stage: Finally, the platform starts to abuse its business customers to claw back all the value for itself. It starts taking a larger share of the value that passes between the users and the business customers.
That is, Reddit made it attractive for users to come and write content, and moderators worked for free, and Reddit loved that because they didn't have to pay them. But lo and behold, they have to answer to their shareholders, so they came up with these restrictions to squeeze more money out of users and moderators.
NotTheOnlyGamerAnd right now, because of Reddit entering the final (Digg v4) stage, the fediverse (Mastodon, Lemmy, & KBin) will shortly be entering the second stage. Keep the ad blockers and all shields up, be ready for brand deals, and "sponsored" federation.
Jesus Christ that sounds like absolute hell.
Too bad. Reddit's death has made the enshittification of the fediverse inevitable, just as Digg's death made Reddit's situation inevitable. But history has a habit of accelerating. As we feed more advanced data into the system, it advances faster. We're seeing that now, up close, with AI. But I think it's been the case for all of human history - maybe all of history, period. So while it took, what, 10 years, maybe, for Reddit to transition from the second stage to the final, I wouldn't expect it to take more than 2 years for the fediverse as a whole. I have ideas about how it will happen, but I refuse to make those ideas freely accessible.
AI will figure them out, don't you worry.
If it needs to take down the fediverse as a competitor media, it'll figure out a way to manipulate people into it.
I'm sure that it will happen. If AI doesn't do it, good old natural greed and cunning will have the same effect. That doesn't mean I need to lay out workable ideas.
Oh I absolutely agree.
lohrunWe should recommend people sign up on some of the various kbin instances, listed here: https://kbin.fediverse.observer/list
My instance only currently has 8 registered users so I know I can take on some more people to help spread the load. People don’t need to sign up for mine specifically though, we just don’t wanna overload kbin.social
bdonvrHow's resource usage? I hear kbin is heavy on RAM
On average, it looks to be less than 2gb of ram at the moment. CPU and RAM usage obviously will go up as I have more users, but it’s not bad at all at the moment. I’ve been pleasantly surprised tbh. I am also completely prepared to scale the server up if I get more users on my instance.
Edit: just a follow up, looks like I can scale my instance to a maximum two ways,
“cpu optimized” up to 48 vCPU and 96gb of ram
“Memory optimized” up to 32 vCPU and 256gb of ram
I’m a long way off of the max though now, my server is only 2 vCPU and 4gb memory for now
I'm running a lemmy instance and using about 700mb, up from 500mb before I had any users (though I have maybe a dozen active users lmao)
But I'm not using much CPU at all though. 5% average on a 2core VPS VM. 4 gigs as well. I can scale up a bit and still afford it personally. After that Ill have to ask for donations, and if not enough stop registration.
The scaling is from my cloud provider, hopefully I won’t have to scale up to the max (looks like it’d be like $1300/mo)
700mb of ram isn’t bad at all. Yeah I’m using like 30% cpu on a 2 core right now. Kbin definitely uses more resources than lemmy but I think it has a lot more going on in the tech stack
Is kbin different than lemmy? I don't understand how it might be related
You're literally talking to a kbin.social topic my man.
Go over to kbin.social and see what the discussion looks like from their side: https://kbin.social/m/RedditMigration/t/51779/r-ModCoord-has-officially-recommended-migration-off-of-Reddit
Does kbin have multiple instances? Or is it basically a Lemmy-and-Mastodon singular hybrid instance? Is it even open source?
Does kbin have multiple instances?
Yes.
Or is it basically a Lemmy-and-Mastodon singular hybrid instance?
Ummm... sure? At least kbin.social is a singular hybrid instance that has better-than-expected Lemmy-and-Mastodon compatibility. Not perfect yet, but pretty good.
Is it even open source?
Yes.
https://github.com/ernestwisniewski/kbin
Thanks. Everyone seems to talk about kbin.social as if others don't exist.
atocciKbin is so new compared to Lemmy that there were only like 2 instances a few weeks ago and the sexond one wasn't in English lol. There are more now but kbin.social is still the biggest and the sentiment stuck around.