LachlanUnchainedReddit to pay moderators and creators??
It’s a tough thing to configure. How much do you pay. Do you pay on volume or on difficulty.
RedMarsRepublicWhy would they??
because it seems to be an effective model for meta.
In what universe is paying people for something they are willing to do for a free a sustainable business model?
The meta and YouTube universe.
Youtube has advertisers on individual videos which requires more moderation than endless text posts.
Or to put it another way; video advertisers ask for a lot more than just crappy spam reddit post ads.
TangentThat's probably why YouTube has such a hair trigger on demonetizing, removing, and copyright striking videos.
Yes, and also video/audio content is much more ripe for copyright claims than image/text content, since it's all owned by giant corporations. For example the music version of all the art bots now was only trained on royalty free/copyright free music... I wonder why.
0485Reddit is a selfish company who feeds on free labor! They will never pay mods or creators.
How about you pay them instead for Reddit premium. After all, you get useless Reddit coins for your monetary sacrifice.
i could see myself paying if the money was passed on to its creators. i mean i pay for spotify. youtube, im happy to sit through 5 minutes of ads!
I know what you mean. I would too. But I know they’re getting nothing so it’s not worth it.
I only pay for YouTube premium tbh.
I did pay YT. But I found myself not using it much.
I intend to do awards and prizes and bounties on my server. 🤷♀️
Nothing substantial. Just fun.
May give away some of my watches I don’t use and stuff.
that's the big elephant in the room when they keep moaning about having to be profitable and all the apps leeching off them. I'm surprised none of the reporting so far has focussed on this point. peak hypocrisy.
thorleYou want to have 3 15-seconds long uninterrubtable ads when you click on a post? I don't think one can compare the content quality of a youtube video with a single post and they'll never generate the revenue that youtube does. You already can get moons on reddit in one or some subs, but that only led to a lot of bullshit posts, so i don't think that is the right incentive and you wouldn't like the outcome. They should pay moderators though, but since there are so many that enjoy doing it for free, that probably won't happen either, only maybe if they dig themselves deeper into the current mess where every moderator flees the site.
Sounds like a reddit problem.
YouTube. Twitter. Yelp. Instagram. Meta.
reddit hasnt found a way to make profit without paying people who run their site for free, there is zero chance they start now.
If they had said, hey. We are are going to remove api access so we can bring in substantial advertising revenue, to pay moderators and creators.
I would have probably been ok with it.
Meta and YouTube did similar.
tallwookieit'd be counter to their corporate culture
Imagine getting paid to post soyjak memes on Reddit lmao
The model works when you have high effort content (YT, Insta, TikTok, Yelp). The bar to get started is high, so the idea of a payout gets the ball rolling for some people. Contributing to Reddit (and Lemmy for that matter) probably doesn't fit that bill.
I can't believe it is any lower than twitter effort, and supposedly eLOLon is monetizing users there haha
Yt is simple. But the others. It’s much of the same. Really you’re getting revenue based on views. Even if the ads were only on your individual profile. I dunno. Something would be better than nothing.
ｓｉｌｌｙ . ｌｉｌ . ｊｅｓｔｅｒI wish. I will keep complaining about them not paying mods. I just don't get why it doesn't even really get brought up.
It’s a tough thing to configure. How much do you pay. Do you pay on volume or on difficulty.
Idk, why do you think mods should get paid? Reddit still has a dedicated team of admins and other that just run the site from the shadows that do banning and removing of illegal/ stuff against tos. Mods choose to run a community and like the feeling of power they get from it. They don't have to run multiple or any, they can always leave it up to vote if they want someone else to be a mod. Being a mod can be full time or it can be 10 minutes a day clearing up your small subreddit. Also each community can have many mods so why should reddit pay those that don't want to add more?
Otome-chanmost infringing content that's removed from reddit is actually removed by mods, not reddit staff/admins
Dick JusticeI bet you can guess the answer...
Isn't that what Community Points / reddit Cash or whatever the fuck they were going to call it was? IIRC, they were supposedly backed with Ethereum or some other cryptocurrency. I don't know whatever happened to that program, though; like so many other ill-considered reddit ideas (RPAN, anyone?), it seems to have just faded quietly into the background and disappeared.
Was it going to be payed out to mods and creators ?
Reddit moderators do not get paid and afaik there's no plan to pay moderators.
source: am a reddit moderator
Oh you're a reddit mod? Name every subreddit (please don't)
lol. in actuality I mod some smaller subs like /r/timetravel, /r/paneldepon, and /r/girlgames.
r/timetravel is a great sub, lots of mind bending discussions. It kinda reminds me of what r/conspiracy used to be like before they traveled back in time.
yup. after I was brought on board I ended up cracking down on a lot of the 0-effort ama posts that clogged the sub, got rid of the spam, and helped push more interesting discussions. also pulled in a couple other mods who help do things nowadays. it's a great sub but low activity.
They recently laid off 90 employees out of 700 total. There's absolutely no way they're about to start paying the roughly 21,000 moderators that are active on a daily basis. The fact that they're actively vilifying moderators as spoiled children wanting everything for free (gotta love that irony) really slams the door on any possibility of treating them with respect, let alone actual compensation for actually running the damn place.
blahajI'm sure it'll happen around the same time that Discord moderators begin to get paid
Yeh. But I’d discord extracting an insurmountable amount of profit out of its users?
They make bank from Nitro but probably not at the same level as reddit with its premium membership and advertising service. If Discord double dipped and showed ads to non-Nitro users it might be a different story.
NixIt might be important to point out how pervasive clickbait content has become.
Even reputable journalists have to let their work become Clickbaity by their editors (title and headline mostly).
Despite all their efforts and super "AI" tools, YouTube is full of irrelevant clickbait whenever searching for something.
All that just to get a pinch from the advertising money pit.
Paying moderators and redditors will likely kill whatever vestiges are left of reddit.
Moreover, altruistic behavior tend to shun/shy away from paid work (it's a totally different mindset).
YouTube is full of irrelevant clickbait
I've even seen this when searching for technical questions on Google/DDG. And it always seems like the video most closely related to what I'm trying to learn leads to this one guy literally saying (not literally ) "thumbs up, coment, subscribe, patreon" then posts an actual screenshot of a stackoverflow thread that I read through minutes prior. Infuriating.
I am Happy to find things I feel will bring good to the world.
MoltenBoronMy Good Sir,
Lord u/spez the lousy, has already landed the gentry and now you inquire as to providing wages for the common serf? Harumph.
Regards,
MB, Esq.
ps. Please see attached:
Th4tGuyIIWhy do that when the strategy of not paying them a damn thing and vilifying them for protesting against changes that hurt them is so, so much easier?? /s
Seriously talk though, they're never going to get paid. Reddit has been and will continue on betting on Mods continuing to do what they do regardless of how hard it is for them - because the Mods know if they don't, their communities will likely die out with them.
I mod a relatively large sub. The only thing that annoys me, is there’s a lot of really helpful content on there. Educational. Medical. Just general community vibe. I feel bad for users. I mod, for other users and for the community.
Not for power or fame or to lick the bum of some corporation.
The problem is it's that kind of altruism (plus the power/fame stuff too) that Reddit are exploiting. The regular users are the collateral.
It's similar to how big companies put barely paid customer service agents as first port of call, so you feel guilty for being mad and never go after the big guys.
Anyone who still works for free for reddit, has some self worth issues. Bein a volunteer in a non profit is one thing, volunteering for a corporation trying to squeeze last penny from user generated content while actively shitting on users, is a strange thing to do in my book. Moderators should just all quit.
MiddleWeighI don't know about you, but I was raised to have self worth issues. It took a lot of b.s. to break that.
Sorry to hear that, nice that it got better. I was lucky with my parents.
Yea I say that to my s.o. all the time. Her parents are awesome and smart. I got lucky through her lol. I'd be a poor little something otherwise fr. I'm super thankful that I even have people that love me at all yknow.
Glad to hear, the family we choose is for quite some folks more important that the one we get born into.
I love my family. They were just young, and got thrown to the fates really. I was too much, my sister too.. Living beyond our means in hopes of attaining something we actually had along, but never aware we actually wanted..
My chosen family are definitely more my peopleso to speak, for sure. That's only natural though.
Yep it can be the law in some places.
I know a music festival that gave free tickets for volunteers in return for 5x8hr shifts. As the festival was a limited company (not charity) the minimum wage laws of my country kicked in.
If someone wants to moderate something for any reason (maybe it gives them a sense of self-worth or maybe they just love a community) I hope they will consider alternatives to reddit. It's clear that reddit doesn't value its moderators, evidenced by the fact that it's taken a literal revolt for them to even consider implementing better modding tools / allow some existing modding tools to continue existing.
The disdain for the working class in general and volunteer mods specifically from spez is palpable, unless he get‘s replaced there is no way they get paid.
I‘m surprised he is even paying US employees, when it would be so much cheaper to fire them and replace with unpaid interns or ChatGPT or outsource it all. When one has the same lack of ethics as Musk, a lot of cost saving avenues open up.
Who is he? Is he an original?
Why is he still even in the job?
I believe he is a co-creator
I guess he has some kind of mandate to drive it into a grave if he so chooses then.
I wonder if Advance Media is still the majority owner. If so, the Newhouse family elders that run A.M. are near or over 80 years old. I can almost guarantee they are still using flip cellphones or even Jitterbugs.
They got no money to do that.
And the details would never work. Most submissions are just links to other sites, or reposts. There's no way to differentiate actual quality content or OC. For mods, anyone can create a sub to become a mod, or appear busy by doing random nonproductive things.
yeh, im aware of that. nut surely they have backend data on interaction. i made the point elsewhere that interaction doesn't necessarily equate to the work a user or mod is doing, but i still feel something is better than nothing.