My biggest problem with #capitalism is that it forces everyone to make earning money their primary objective.

Not to provide valuable services for society.
Not to make sure that people don't suffer.
Not to preserve our environment.

All these things are just optional side effects to the main objective of making money, and will be easily discarded if doing the opposite turns out to be more lucrative.

@ainmosni

"Forces"? A bit strong. But the point is valid. That is where regulation is supposed to come in. Instead we have let money have too much influence in government and change the rules.

@SnerkRabbledauber Yes, forces

Do I want shelter? I need money.
Do I want food? I need money.

The huge amount of people that are living a life of very little joy just because they have to spend all their time making money just to keep them and their loved ones alive attest to that.

@ainmosni

If there was not money you would still have to work to make the shelter and collect/grow the food. So all the money does is give you more options for how you work. It also allows us to collectively support each other's basic needs by all contributing in the ways we best can. That is the part that we have allowed to be eroded and we must rebuild. The basic needs met part.

@SnerkRabbledauber I agree with the last part, although we can also meet basic needs with constructs like mutual aid.

And note that I'm not saying that money is evil itself (although I am definitely hoping we'll get to post-scarcity at some point), I'm saying the system that puts money signs on everything, lets people starve and die when they have no money, and says that things without monetary value are worthless is evil.

@ainmosni

I agree with that. I just don't think that sentiment is required to have any of the benefits of a market. It just requires regulation, which we have handed over to the wrong people.

I would certainly agree that once a company becomes publicly traded, then there IS a force to adopt those values. It is even enforced by law. The stock market is evil IMO.

@SnerkRabbledauber @ainmosni if we didn't live under capitalism, I could build my own shelter. I have the skills to do it. But instead I have to sacrifice most of my earnings to a landlord, because I don't have enough money to buy the right to build my own shelter. If I try to build my own shelter and find my own food outside of capitalism, I will have my shelter destroyed and my children abducted by capital's guarddogs. Just ask any indigenous nation how their traditional lifestyle is illegal