I'm saying this as someone who prefers vegan over other options - You can go vegan if you live in a place where you can easily have a variety, you have the spare money to afford said variety and if you have the time to dedicate to learning and preparing vegan food. Rice and beans are vegan, but surviving on that alone is miserable.
That's not even going into how it screwed over people who relied on things like tempeh and quinoa before it became to expensive.
@TomSwirly @aroom @edwiebe @alexwild
... None of this addresses anything i said.
@4emili4 @aroom @edwiebe @alexwild
You wrote: "it screwed over people who relied on things like tempeh".
Sorry, I shouldn't have repeated the rice and beans example but the idea that you have to be rich to be vegan is just not so.
Much more important, it's the affluent who represent the majority of consumption, and they are still eating meat, flying and driving everywhere, buying disposable consumer junk, and popping out kids to do the same.
@4emili4 @aroom @edwiebe @alexwild This is one of the repeated objections to any attempt to mitigate the climate catastrophe.
Any suggestion on how to reduce consumption immediately has people chiming in to say, "But what about the poor?"
But the poor aren't the problem. It's the rich who are doing the lion's share of the consuming
And it's never the poor who make this objection.
@TomSwirly @aroom @edwiebe @alexwild
There's a lot of great ways to reduce consumption that are accessible for all people, veganism relies on ease of access however. In Chicago, where I live, there are a lot of food deserts which make veganism a tough thing to do unless you have a car, the time for the CTA, or live near a train station.
Yes, veganism is cheap... Unless you have additional constraints that are common. There's a lot of accessibility issues in general that require resolution
@TomSwirly @aroom @edwiebe @alexwild
I don't think you understood what I meant - I said that in reply to someone who made it seem like it was very easy to just go ahead and do it.
Yes, the biggest issues in this aren't the common person because they aren't going to even be able to pollute as much as corporations even after multiple lifetimes
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