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Elaine (they/she) 💜🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍🌈Jun 14, 2023

@9to5Mac they might add the feature and keep it disabled until the deadline or perhaps until they get a court order.

@9to5Mac Personally don’t want this to happen. Sideloading applications can have bad consequences for users that might be less technical than others and install malware ridden versions of “popular” apps.

@AaronDoe @9to5Mac if someone wants to use it, it's up to them. Their phone, their risk. Also, no one will force anyone to use it.

Android has sideloading since forever and I don't see this big malware wave there, like some people predict will happen on ios.

@djvdq @9to5Mac Android has a massive malware issue (mainly Chinese off-branded ROMs) but also critical vulnerabilities found exploited on a wide scale for popular OEMs too.

Apple’s ecosystem has always been a walled garden, and imo should remain that way. Yes iOS has been exploited previously in the past. But it’s nowhere near as wide of an attack vector as Android is.

Android = Open Platform
iOS = Close Platform

EU shouldn’t get to force things on companies big or small.

@AaronDoe @djvdq @9to5Mac Why shouldn’t EU get to enforce laws that benefits EU citizens? It’d be weird if they didn’t.

An open market doesn’t automatically mean malware, Apple have great anti-malware protection on their Macs and can easily do the same on iOS.

@musser It’s not a benefit though is it? It’s just a power move from the EU.

Like them forcing USB-C on iPhones, who does that benefit? Say you’ve been a user since iPhone 5 when Lightning got introduced you’ve probably got a ton of cables/accessories that will be useless without an adapter

All I see on this topic is “well Android has it” yeah that’s true but Apple has always done their own thing

Also I still hate the EU laws are force on the UK and we left, just leave us alone already

@AaronDoe It’s a benefit since every user have a ton of USB-C cables anyways. Even if you’re a full apple user, iPads and Macs have used USB-C for quite a while. Also it opens up the ability to way quickly transfer files between your iPhone and computer, perfect for that ProRes content. Neither lightning or airdrop comes even close to the speed of USB-C

@AaronDoe And well, you’d be stupid if you didn’t realize American companies treats the content Europe as one single market. Just look on Norway which haven’t been part of EU ever, they always gets treated the same as every other European country

@AaronDoe @musser USB-C is where anyone benefits, e.g. transfer speed, which is laughingly low through lightning.

The memorandum of understanding between producers and EU about using one plug in all devices is older than iPhone 5.

If you're in the UK, then it's not for you anyway.

@AaronDoe Apple is anticompetitive. It's why EU can, and should, intervene.

And I'm writing it as an Apple device's user.

If close platform is so good, then why MacOS is not closed, and you can install whatever you like?

@djvdq @9to5Mac I will say though for most users it’s fine enabling sideloading of applications.

But it’s crucial the vulnerable users are thought of as well in the conversation.

@AaronDoe @djvdq @9to5Mac “for most users it’s fine”.

Hence why we shouldn’t cripple the experience for the majority because a minority could get infected. And as I stated in my other comment, here’s where anti-malware protection comes into play.

@musser @djvdq @9to5Mac Why need extra protection when the platform is already closed 🤷‍♂️

Opening the door for no reason, all apps you need are on the AppStore. The only reason people fight for sideloading is for the edge cases of apps Apple doesn’t approve, or for Piracy/Pornography/Gambling applications which have restrictions or are outright banned on the platform.

@AaronDoe @djvdq @9to5Mac That’s not why people fight for sideloading. Competition and fair deals for app developers is the reason why people fight for it. It’d also allow for privacy focused applications like Mullvad VPN to support their alternative payment methods in their app and they could offer the same price for iOS users as everyone else get.

@AaronDoe @djvdq @9to5Mac My guess would be that the most commonly downloaded apps outside the App Store would be apps like Fortnite and Spotify which have openly criticized apples 30% cut.

@musser @djvdq @9to5Mac But this is where the EU shouldn’t get a say.

Without Apple the iPhone and so on wouldn’t exist, they make the devices, they have their own AppStore, they have the right to charge what they’d like.

Sony the same with the PlayStation, all digital games HAVE to be brought through their store which is fair as they’re the platform holder.

Why should other platforms get to take a piece of the pie when these companies bring in the high user bases.

@AaronDoe @djvdq @9to5Mac EU can say whatever they want. We’re an democracy just like when UK-citizens democratically voted to not be a member of the EU, and therefore lose all your possibilities to affect these decisions.

@musser @djvdq @9to5Mac Okay, but going with that should the EU be able to dictate what American and Japanese companies do with their products and services.

As the rest of the world shouldn’t be forced on their practices.

@AaronDoe @djvdq @9to5Mac They don’t dictate what American or Japanese companies do. American and Japanese companies can simply decide to not operate in EU if they can’t or don’t want to comply with European law.

@musser @djvdq @9to5Mac But they are forced. What company is going to pull the plug on one of their most profitable markets?

@AaronDoe @djvdq @9to5Mac So sideloading isn’t that bad then after all?

If sideloading would hurt companies in a meaningful way they’d simply decide to exit the market.

EUs goal is to protect European companies and citizens, giving European citizens and companies better consumer rights and competitive markets goes above letting the world’s richest company to “exploit” Europe without regulations.

@AaronDoe @musser they are not forced, it's their choice.

@AaronDoe @musser of course they can tell American/Japanese/Chinese companies what to do. If they want to operate in the EU, they need to follow the law. If they don't want to follow it, they can leave EU market.

And usually European laws are being implemented in the whole world, because it's easier. EU (unlike UK, and every other single country) is too big and important to ignore.

@AaronDoe @djvdq @9to5Mac If you could buy physical iOS apps that’d be a fair comparison. Now you can’t buy physical iOS apps and Sony plays on a competitive market unlike apples apps.

spla Jun 14, 2023

@AaronDoe I agree.
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