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Liam @ GamingOnLinux 🐧🎮New video: Proton is the only hope for Steam Deck and desktop Linux
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Gundam Boykisser 
@gamingonlinux nah it's true let's be honest
tizilogic@gamingonlinux comment placed.. Proton FTW.. easier for the studios and ultimately easier for the user.. the only missing piece IMHO is the crazy shit that is going on in the anti-cheat SW space.. not a problem for me because I don't like to play "competitive" PvP games that are riddled with cheaters regardless to the non working anti-cheat those games have
HellbentHobo@tizilogic @gamingonlinux at this point my attitude on that is "Fuck 'Em". There are games I'd like to play, but as far as I'm concerned asking for that level of access makes you malware. It's not possible for a fucking game to be justified in knowing anything else happening on my computer.
@HellbentHobo @gamingonlinux fwiw, I would be semi-fine with it, if that sort of software actually worked, which it so obviously doesn't.. so it's basically installing malware grade rootkits with no actual gain for the consumer
@tizilogic @gamingonlinux I probably wouldn't on my desktop regardless. It's a huge security issue, and it's well within the realm of possibility that it creates a flaw something else exploits to get a foothold into my system. I might on steam deck as a dedicated gaming device, but I'd be pretty hesitant.
I'd be less likely to view publishers who do it as malicious, though. It's hard to think they're doing it in good faith when they know it doesn't work and cant work.
I'd be less likely to view publishers who do it as malicious, though. It's hard to think they're doing it in good faith when they know it doesn't work and cant work.
Tacitus 🇮🇪 
@gamingonlinux
I mean proton is the only reason I was able to ditch my dual boot entirely.
I mean proton is the only reason I was able to ditch my dual boot entirely.
cpw@gamingonlinux the reality is that proton actually unlocks capabilities that native games in either windows OR Linux don't get access to. It's brilliant tech. It speaks to the widespread "containerization" philosophy that is very common in wider computing circles - techs like docker/podman &c. The details of the specific API are trivia. The fact is that I'll be able to play games via proton long after they stop working on windows.
ch0ccyra1n is leaving fedi soon@gamingonlinux
While I understand that for most developers, Proton is preferred, and is just easier...
I personally would want to (as a developer) build with Linux in-mind as the primary platform, and consider Windows to be an afterthought. Now, I get that this is a really radical approach, but it's actually something that a lot of emulator developers do with their builds, prioritizing Linux.
That being said, native Linux porting from Windows is uhhhh, difficult so Proton will always have a place.
16BitYeti@gamingonlinux If the developers have a choice between translating their code and having to QA it, or do a check through a conversion layer; Developers (unless it just isn’t cutting it) will always choose the conversion layer.
It may take a hit to performance, but it’s always easier / better to make games more performant than it is to write the game twice.
Meowie Gamer
Biscuit@gamingonlinux VERY casual Linux desktop user here.
When I ran Euro Truck Sim 2 on my Steamdeck and got horrible performance then someone said to turn on Proton and suddenly the frames where smooth, I knew Proton was the way. (except for Emulators)
Bearmine@gamingonlinux There are many problems with desktop Linux, but the biggest one keeping me off Linux is lack of game and application support. I want my games and applications to “just work”, I don’t care how.
If Proton makes games available on Linux in a “just works” format, that’s fantastic. Now I just need Adobe CC, Microsoft Office, etc to somehow also “just work”. I know I could mess around with Wine… or I could just run Windows, and that’s where I’m currently at.
@gamingonlinux and I want to ditch Windows, I don’t like what Microsoft has done with Windows 10/11, but when I look at Linux, it still seems like the worse option for desktop. When I was younger I loved tinkering with the OS (Windows and Linux). Now that I’m older I just want an OS that works so I can get my work done.
Gustavo Muenz@bearmine @gamingonlinux why worse? I'm using it for some time as my only OS and I'm very happy with it. Proton was the last thing I needed so that my games also work. What is missing for you?
Matthew@gamingonlinux well said
catraxx 
@gamingonlinux The fuck? No.
@catraxx Anyone arguing otherwise is deluded
@gamingonlinux Ok sure.
@catraxx lmao, so you think 1.47% of a market is worth the extra effort and ongoing costs associated - rather than having it work in Proton that could end up costing them nothing?
@gamingonlinux I don't care what the market share is. Linux is not a company.
@catraxx so you have literally no counter argument, okay
@gamingonlinux Except what i said, no. And i don't think more is required.
raphael@gamingonlinux especially with how we’re also getting a proton-equivalent for mac OS. no way around it, really.
is it my favourite version of the future? that’s a completely different question.
phi1997@gamingonlinux
As much as I want native Linux support, even in the best case scenario where Windows is abandoned and every developer ports all their games to Linux, compatibility tools will be crucial for running older games whose developers no longer exist.
As much as I want native Linux support, even in the best case scenario where Windows is abandoned and every developer ports all their games to Linux, compatibility tools will be crucial for running older games whose developers no longer exist.
@gamingonlinux
Anyway, I should actually watch the video at some point
Anyway, I should actually watch the video at some point
Juan Carlos Araujo 
Seen things right now, @gamingonlinux, even Apple gets inspired by Proton.
Rassilonian Legate@gamingonlinux
I may want native games to come eventually, but yeah for now Proton is the better solution
I may want native games to come eventually, but yeah for now Proton is the better solution
TheHolyTachanka@gamingonlinux Based valve
a0kami@gamingonlinux I agree, yet I would argue this displaces a lot of work onto Valve devs, it ain't much fair and thank god Valve can afford all that expertised gigantic compatibility work, yet it creates a single point of failure for the whole linux gaming ecosystem
Anyway that's a huge amount of brilliant work, I'll never stress enough how much thankful I am for us to have proton, at least for now
Though I'm not too afraid about it going away anytime but let's not take it for granted, shan't we
Chobbes@aokami @gamingonlinux I was a lot more afraid of proton going away before the steam deck because it was kind of like “… why does valve still care about Linux, this investment can’t make sense…” and then the steam deck was announced and everything was crystal clear.
@Chobbes true, thanks to Valve's hate of microsoft holding the keys of the whole windows ecosystem and notably when microsoft threatened to ban 3rd-party market places in favor of the windows store, thankfully for them that never happened
otherwise, pretty sure there could've been deals and see no issue w/ potential decks running windows 11
yes, proton's a wonder for linux gaming, but that's a lot of work and lots of money
linux gaming shouldn't be limited to Valve's funding and Valve's doings
@aokami yeah, the windows 8 fiasco fizzling out and steam machines never taking off made the period between then and the steam deck being announced super confusing to me because like… I get that valve might still be paranoid, but there really didn’t seem to be enough Linux users to make it worth the expense of maintaining proton.
It is pretty cool that it currently makes sense for valve to support open platforms. I am still a little worried about it all crumbling at some point, but at least it seems safe for the near term.