alyaza [they/she]Megathread for Reddit Blackouts and News - Day 2
unix84FairPhone 4.
Great phone that supports LineageOS, postmarketOS, CalyxOS and a few others.
The bootloader can be unlocked and re-locked without penalty. You can remove the battery without issue. It's designed to be repairable by the owner (but good luck finding parts has been my experience).
I love mine.
PantoffelHi dude, I think you might've posted this reply in the wrong thread :)
wblThere was a post about best LineageOS rec. I think they were trying to respond to that.
Yeah, my Lemmy instance is doing something weird where I open the link, see the comments, and then the linked article changes while the comments stay the same.
No worries! That’s a known bug, and happens to a lot of us. It’s on the list to be fixed.
kilgoreI also love my Fairphone, but what does this have to do with the reddit blackouts?
Nothing. Our Lemmy instance is sending the comments to the wrong thread.
This post is informative but I fail to see how it relates to reddit. Did you post under the wrong thread?
Lemmy has been having some issues lately where responses aren't going to the thread the submitter actually clicked on
Yeah, it's weird, my Lemmy instance is doing something where the thread is changing but the comments are to the original article that I clicked.
I've checked both Reddit and Lemmy since I created my Lemmy account yesterday. Reddit has lost a number of subreddits I used to read and the feed seems decidedly less interesting overall. Although the equivalents to all the subreddits I used don't necessarily exist here, there is some good information here (particularly IT-related) and I think the overall feel of the community here is better - people seem (so far at least) largely pretty reasonable and there aren't the armies of contrarians or downvoters just wanting to spread their anger at the world to everyone else. So, overall, win some, lose some, and if I end up just here instead of Reddit, I think any losses there will be offset by gains here. Which if you think about it makes Lemmy look pretty good, given that it is (a) relatively new; (b) volunteer-run and funded; (c) much, much smaller than Reddit.
I’ve been really enjoying the Mlem client on iOS as well. Definitely still has a long way to go but it’s a wonderful start
Where do you find the key to activate it on TestFlight?
1993_toyota_camryhttps://testflight.apple.com/join/xQfmkJhc
This iOS App Store link should automatically handle that: https://testflight.apple.com/join/xQfmkJhc
Appreciate it. Thanks!
No problem! Fair warning, it crashes pretty frequently for me so I’m mostly sticking with the browser for now. Also it expands every post in your feed, so you need to scroll through the introduction post stickied to the top of lemmy.world every time you reload the app.
I’m going to keep checking the app out though since it’s a nice start and is clearly gonna improve.
jayMlem is awesome, been really fun to engage and grow with this new community
SensPeople say Lemmy is too complicated for most people, well that’s probably a good thing as it naturally filters out the people who only want to incite anger for upvotes. There’s no love on Reddits main subreddits anymore
PowderhornIn terms of complexity, becoming conversant enough in how Lemmy works to do basic things feels on par with IRC. The expectations about how easy it is to hop on a service and start using it have shifted significantly because of the centralization of the past couple of decades, but the evidence available from comparing the tone of Reddit to here suggests the speed bump is helpful.
KushanI disagree, it's easy to say that a barrier to entry is good because it keeps out trolls and those that just want to insight hate, but really those people will find a way when anything gets popular enough to bother with. Meanwhile, that same barrier prevents a lot of underserved people joining in and they're left to deal with the same toxic people we're trying to avoid ourselves.
The centralised services didn't succeed because they were centralised, they succeeded because they lowered the barrier to entry drastically. It's a lot easier to do that when you're centralised, but that's something we'll have to overcome if we want this community and others like it to succeed. Otherwise we'll just slowly die inside our own echo chamber.
Agree and disagree ... when we say "people shouldn't have to learn anything to use a technology," that shifts any focus on better education to dumber services.
I think it's not necessarily just dumber or more impatient people who can be soft-locked out by this, though. People who are too short on time to put a lot into hobbies (e.g. single mom working two jobs, and others with very busy irl lives) or learning a new unfamiliar system may also be left out, or older people with a anxieties or self-defeating beliefs about their ability to learn. And remembering here also that we are used to learning new internet systems, but that's a skill in itself even though it feels easy to us.
Leaving people on platforms that have ad-drive, hate-elevating algorithms also has consequences for all of us when it comes to politics and conspiracy spread.
Technology is a tool, and the tool should be as intuitive to a human newly encountering it as possivle, imo. If people make the same mistakes or have the same confusion with something again and again, it means the system is badly designed for humans, not that the humans are dumb.
I appreciate talking to people from all walks, though. If a community wants to filter people it should be explicit and on purpose.
Lemmy.ml is down. My main account is there, which is the one I use to moderate everything. I will try to migrate my account from one instance to another because lemmy.ml is not stable
That's an unfortunate timing. They should have locked registrations before accepting too much traffic
The should just tanked half the users like what their favorite leader Mao would have done
Yes, or upgrade before like lemmy.world did. I don't know on which instance I will go now, not here because we can't create communities (which is really fine, this instance don't have duplicate that way and the ambiance here is fun)
I have a Sumer old lemmy.ml account which I’ll use to create communities if needed. But I’ll stick with beehaw for my main. If I didn’t have an alt account, I would have gone to a different instance.
Hot SaucermanI've been on lemmy.ml all morning with only a few hiccups.
Can you still go on it?
skepticaliforniaThe blackout is definitely having an impact on Reddit traffic, especially the level of commenting on posts. Look at https://blackout.photon-reddit.com/ and the posts and comments per minute. The comments are usually up to the top or above the number of posts and they are way down. Posts overall are way down as well.
Hmmm the effect is not as dramatic as I was anticipating. Am I reading this right? Say the daily average in comments/minute is around 5k: seems the average today is around 4k. A 20% dip only. Not much compared to 50+% of the subreddits going dark :(
Yes, but most of the traffic is from people going to the front page and seeing /all (this is what I read yesterday, I am assuming it is correct). My guess is most visitors who use Reddit's apps or go in through the browser are not participating in the blackout, or maybe don't care, so there will still be a large number of posts. The people supporting the blackout likely make up a large percentage of users who comment on new posts, and that is way down. I'm seeing a lot of posts, but far fewer comments on those posts.
WahotsNot to mention the sudden impact of reddit cutting off all 3rd party access on the 30th/1st.
It's unclear how useful aggregate post and comment totals are in terms of measuring the effect of the blackout on content.
I feel comfortable saying that 80% of Reddit content on my subscribed subreddits has no impact on my day or understanding of life. Thus, the question becomes what 20% has been lost.
Yes, good point. I really feel something like this is more of a building surge, rather than a tsunami. A lot of us leaving is not going to sink them in the near term, but they will slowly see an erosion of quality posts and more importantly quality comments. I've heard they really want to monetize access to all the conversations for data harvesting, and if the overall quality of that drops, the whole thing is worth a lot less.
JoeKroganI see it ending up like Facebook
GraceGHThe real Digg>Reddit type exodus happens when people start saying "all the good content on Reddit is just reposts from (insert federated instance)". I don't think this blackout in and of itself will do it, but it's another domino on the path to destruction for them. If we're lucky.
One thing to note that noticable amount of Reddit traffic is actually bots and they're not taking time off. Be it legit bots or bots farming karma to peddle corporate ads later.
This website seems to be down for me right now, dunno where else we can see comments and posts numbers. All the other blackout trackers seem to just be tracking #subreddits
I just checked reddark over 8400 subreddits are down, pretty much all of the big ones are closed down, that's crazy! I only had one reddit brain fart today and caught myself before, so I have no idea how things are there, but I do miss all the nature, castles and sculptures pictures from the stuff I followed.
Yeah, I had that moment yesterday. Sat on the toilet and immediately opened Apollo. Closed it a second later. Won’t happen anymore after Apollo is gone, tho.
get mlem and put it in the same spot as where your apollo app for is today
dvdnet90https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/13/23759180/reddit-protest-private-apollo-christian-selig-subreddit?utm_campaign=theverge&utm_content=chorus&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter
this is a great interview with Christian, fyi, for people who haven't seen it yet
magnetosphere He is MUCH more diplomatic and polite than I would be.
Then again, he’s Canadian and I’m an American lol
Smart of him not to set the bridge on fire before he’s made it all the way across.
Great article, thanks for sharing. It's a real shame that Reddit seems so determined to just force all the changes through and have no dialogue with the community.
Sadly, most of my subs don't really care about the Reddit drama, and I can't find anything replacing them here. But at the same time… I kinda realized I don't really miss them, and overall getting away from Reddit feels like a good thing for my mental health. For now, I think my lights stay out at Reddit, and it will be replaced by a mix and match of lemmy stuff and old school forums. And maybe discord for some special live events.
So while the blackout and all that happened leading up to it didn't really change my Reddit experience, it changed my overall feeling about Reddit as a platform. Let's see how this will hold up.
There is only one sub I use that has not attempted to do anything about the API issue. They stickied a post forwarded to an explanation of what is happening in support of the blackout, but it is an important time period for us so no one was going to allow a full shut down. It's one of the few non-toxic places to discuss our fandom. Beyond that sub, the others don't matter much to me.
That's my situation as well. Out of curiosity I went into reddit today to see how different it would look. It's close to the same. A lot of the subs I go to are in the "Yeah it sucks but we're small so we won't make a dent so fuck it.." other subs like /r/games with their BS excuse of "we support it but don't want to do anything about it". Overall, kind of the same. Kind of makes me sad
That's my situation as well. Out of curiosity I went into reddit today to see how different it would look. It's close to the same. A lot of the subs I go to are in the "Yeah it sucks but we're small so we won't make a dent so fuck it.." other subs like /r/games with their BS excuse of "we support it but don't want to do anything about it". Overall, kind of the same. Kind of makes me sad
A word on reddit, blackouts, & effective protesting: https://piped.video/watch?v=U06rCBIKM5M
wish some reddit mods participating in the blackout watched it.
tinawebmom Mod of small (~26,000 users) sub. We'll be staying dark indefinitely. Talking to my other mods for other subs and recommending they do the same. We're tiny but hopefully it sends a message to our users.
As a user of a shut-down (maybe temporarily) community in Reddit, the fact that it was shut down and has a decently active (migrating) community here is the very reason i have a Lemmy account.
Shutting down on Reddit is a valid working strategy to send a message, so you made the right choice
BriongloidWow, I didn't know there was a peertube instance getting this much traffic, at least I think its peertube?
A word on reddit, blackouts, & effective protesting: https://piped.video/watch?v=U06rCBIKM5M
As I understand him, announcing a blackout for 2 days is equivalent to reassuring to come back for 363 days despite all that's wrong. Basically signalling "you can do that with me". I feel that interpretation has some truth, but also falls short.
As I understand the blackout, it is a warning shot. Like any political demonstration (and unlike romantic relationships, to which he compares it), it's a show of strength and numbers to both sides. Both participants and recipients can see who else protests, and see how many.
A display of force alone can sway people to either join the protest, or to renegotiate. But those in power can always assume it's a bluff and call it as such by ignoring the protest. Then, it depends on wether the protesting people are willing to follow through. What actual force stands behind that display of force? Are you willing and capable to escalate?
How many subscriptions and subreddits will leave if their demands are not met? And why didn't they leave right away if they don't like it anymore?
I think it's perfectly fine to not escalate to the highest level right away. The intermediate steps are a form of communication and negotiation, and can prevent unecessary harm. But you should be prepared to follow through if the demands are not met, else you signal in fact "you can do that with us".
Only thing I’ve missed about Reddit is googling stuff by adding Reddit on the end of it! Ironically most of the stuff has been around server stuff for my Lemmy instance
You can still do that, just pipe it through archive.is or just go there. You're not giving Reddit much with your page view.