dsmaster7173important rulepost
starship_lizardWhat's a tankie?
chalkmanHard-core authoritarian communist. The kinda peeps who support Stalin and shit
aMalayaliStalin
Certain aspects of Stalin? Or in general?
peanuts4lifeBoth. Fascist apologist like to cherry pick palatable characteristics of figures like Stalin, or Hitler, or Andrew Jackson in order to destigmatize thier idolatry of these figures. These "certain aspects" are the tip of the wedge they use to destroy rationality and peace.
A reasonable person who would like to discuss the benefits of communism would point to the value of labor, advantages of unions, and the dignity of the worker, not the evil, paranoid, and violent person of Stalin.
Always, the stink of fascism follows the idolization of so called "great men." Excuses after excuses.
nonsense, communists were on the front line to kill people like hitler. this is holocaust denial
The Holocaust most definitely happened, and was perpetuated by the Nazis. Please don't accuse me of this.
Communism, or to be most specific, Marxism, was most definitely aligned against Hitler.
Stalin, was not. He would have watched Hitler kill all of Europe had the Nazis not attacked Russia. Same as the united states if Japan had not attacked them.
this is incorrect. the USSR made a suggestion to Czechoslovakia to make a defensive pact in case of nazi invasion. they also suggested this to poland. the polish did not like the idea. poland teamed up with nazi germany to invade czechoslovakia, and czechoslovakia preferred the help of the west, which backstabbed them and did not assist them despite declarations to the contrary. this meant that the soviet union could not intervene early in a large alliance against nazi germany. instead, they had to rebuild after the civil war as quickly as possible. they are on record knowing the germans were going to attack well before the war.
it should also be noted that poland invaded and annexed parts of independent ukraine and russia prior to WW2. the west was hoping the nazis and poland would both invade russia together. the polish ambassador to germany was in fact favorable to handing danzig over to nazi germany, and is on record about their surprise at the attack on poland.
why you have an obsession about stalin is beyond me. especially in regards to advocating for violence against marginalized groups that are usually socialist 'tankies'. the soviet union does not exist anymore. grow up.
QuerellerDo you deny the Molotov–Ribbentrop pact and the illegal attack on Poland by the Soviet union under its leader Josef Stalin?
Do you deny that the west signed NAPs with the Nazis as part of the agreement prior to Czechoslovakia's annexation? Do you also deny that the Soviet Union saved approximately 200,000 Jewish lives by annexing Eastern Poland?
No why should I ? A non aggression pact is not the same than occupying another country. The Jews which were deported to other parts of the Union were in deed saved from the Nazis.
I would support any country occupying a country if it saved hundreds of thousands of lives from death by fascism, without question. If you do not, you are evil.
SilverstringsSo what about the Soviet Union doing ethnic cleansings in the parts of Poland they conquered? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_repressions_of_Polish_citizens_(1939%E2%80%931946)
from what i am reading, these are polish military officer's bodies. poland's military was known for pogroms against jews during the nazi occupation, and that was a sentence of death in the soviet union. as for the other claims, many civilian populations, including many millions of russians, were moved beyond the urals in order to evade firebombing campaigns. some of these groups stayed, but many left after the war.
sexual crimes happen in war and people who commit them should be killed.
Oh so it's fine that the Soviet Union displaced their government and murdered anyone who opposed them?
it is fine to save hundreds of thousands of lives from firebombing, yes. war is never pretty and you must protect civilians by moving them away from the ever-advancing front line.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_the_Soviet_Union
im not going to discuss black book of communism, are you even a socialist? the man who wrote such things advocated for millions dead in the middle east
What black book of communism are you talking about? I linked you a wikipedia article. These are real historical events that you're willfully ignoring.
Werth, Nicholas (1999). "A State against Its People: Violence, Repression, and Terror in the Soviet Union". In Courtois, Stéphane (ed.). The Black Book of Communism: Crimes, Terror, Repression. Translated by Mark Kraemer; Jonathan Murphy (illustrated hardcover ed.). Cambridge, Massachusetts: Harvard University Press. p. 164. ISBN 9780674076082. Retrieved 2 December 2021 – via Google Books.
There are dozens of sources listed on the bottom, one possibly questionable source means the entire thing is made up?
A lot of sources are for more general historic claims and some that aren't are likely a circular citation. In any case, if you want to pretend to be a communist, it's basic decency to not throw a list of accusations at someone that includes obvious anticommunist bullshit like the Black Book.
Anarchists uncritically quoting wikipedia -- which is infamous for its anticommunist historical revisionism -- is a funny bit
Ethnic cleansing is when you kill military officers, no I'm not just trying to twist things into "genocide" to score cheap political points
Not when it kills millions through starvation --> holodomor
we discussed that elsewhere
https://www.villagevoice.com/2020/11/21/in-search-of-a-soviet-holocaust/
JasBCThe only evil person here is you. How can you not only defend but celebrate a regime that during its reign of terror during the occupation of Poland put over 500-thousand Poles in prison, committed the Katyn Massacre, deported 1.7-million Poles to Siberia, raped over a 100-thousand women, and murdered over 150-thousand additonal Poles in cold blood, and then robbed Poland of the independence it had achieved after WW1, after 200-years of attempted cultural genocide by the Russian Empire?
I am half-Polish, my father was born in Communist Poland - tell me how your crackhead ideology justifies your abhorrent views. Tell me how the Soviets rounding up innocent Poles and murdering them in cold blood, like happened to the families and friends of my grandparents, is to be celebrated as the Soviets "saving" anyone; how subjugating the Polish people and state for the next 40-years was something good.
You're simply a disgusting PoS, a certified A-grade fucking tankie.
jeez, i wish you were deported to siberia, youre fucking dumb and should be breaking rocks with your forehead
It's very clear you're mentally ill. Bye.
It's clear she like to pick fights but maybe you could put that in a way that isn't disparaging to people with mental illnesses?
Done?
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