dsmaster7173important rulepost
starship_lizardWhat's a tankie?
chalkmanHard-core authoritarian communist. The kinda peeps who support Stalin and shit
aMalayaliStalin
Certain aspects of Stalin? Or in general?
peanuts4lifeBoth. Fascist apologist like to cherry pick palatable characteristics of figures like Stalin, or Hitler, or Andrew Jackson in order to destigmatize thier idolatry of these figures. These "certain aspects" are the tip of the wedge they use to destroy rationality and peace.
A reasonable person who would like to discuss the benefits of communism would point to the value of labor, advantages of unions, and the dignity of the worker, not the evil, paranoid, and violent person of Stalin.
Always, the stink of fascism follows the idolization of so called "great men." Excuses after excuses.
nonsense, communists were on the front line to kill people like hitler. this is holocaust denial
I am of the strong opinion that fascism doesn't care if you call yourself a communist, a capitalist, or a Democrat. If someone promotes a state which strips the power of local and individual labor for it's own use; cultivates violence as a means of domestic control; supports expansionism; and finally the consolidation of power under a personality; I oppose it, and call it what it is.
vague criteria. you can argue any country you dont like is under a dictatorship of whatever and is led by a cult of personality. you should be concerned about more realistic things, like supporting unions in your country, helping marginalized people, that sort of thing. not punching down at socialists.
My comments are split now, so I'll let you read my other one. I would just like to emphasize that I consider myself a socialist, and that it's not really that vague of a criteria for the purposes of an Internet argument. It's just broad. I believe all current world superpowers current share elements of fascism which I despise and oppose.
i agree that america is genocidal. no reason for you to hatepost about communists when we agree with so much.
SilverstringsWhat's your excuse for the holodomor?
famine is terrible, and it was caused by western sanctions and invasions of the soviet union and even other regions of the world. please note that many western armies looted and burned their way through ukraine during the civil war, and america itself occupied vladivostok in the east even. it is also important to think that if the soviet union sought to kill all ukrainians, why didnt they? after ww2, there was no one stopping them.
it is also important to note that almost every region of the world experienced famine during this time, and these famines led to radicalization in many forms. my grandfather was a survivor of famine from similar causes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor
The Holodomor happened before WW2 dipshit. Tankies really can't resist genocide denial huh? Fits right in with you defending the Soviet Union teaming up with the nazis.
i am aware that it is before ww2, so was the occupations of ukraine and the far east by western powers.
Stalin purposely diverted shipments of grain away from Ukraine, he made a deliberate effort to starve and repress his political enemies.
Stalin pushed a cultural and physical genocide in order to subjugate the Ukranian people. He pushed the narrative that they were not an independent nation or nationality hence "the ukraine" not Ukraine.
hence “the ukraine” not Ukraine.
Russian literally doesn't have articles! There is no "the" to use! And even if there was, it wouldn't mean anything. That's just an artifact of how some westerners talked about it.
https://www.villagevoice.com/2020/11/21/in-search-of-a-soviet-holocaust/
You're the dipshit if you think that WW2 was the first time the USSR was invaded. Are you not familiar with the incredible number of capitalist countries that invaded during the Russian Civil War in order to reverse the revolution? I don't think it's particularly relevant to the famine, but assuming she meant WW2 is ridiculous.
https://www.villagevoice.com/2020/11/21/in-search-of-a-soviet-holocaust/
You're a spineless coward, just admit you're fine with genocide and totalitarianism so long as they have a red flag.
BloopsGenocide is horrible. That's why I have so much respect for the USSR for stopping the Nazi menace.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_the_Soviet_Union
So I guess it's just not genocide when the Soviet Union does it?
The Soviets bravely fought against the Nazis and put a stop to the Holocaust. For that alone, they should have all of our respect.
Oh so if you fight someone doing a genocide you get to commit some of your own for free? Wasn't aware that special was still going.
Also again ignoring the Soviets were happy to help nazi germany when it was convenient for them.
No of course not. While it is commendable that the Americans fought on the side of justice in WW2, it does not make up for their genocides. The Soviets however did not commit any genocide.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Purge https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Operation_of_the_NKVD
Turns out you can say anyone didn't commit genocide if you just ignore history.
Now even the Great Purge is being called a genocide. 💀
Tankies on their way to explain how the mass murder of political dissidents isn't technically genocide. Very smart, you definitely don't sound at all like a fucking psychopath.
I'm not a tankie don't worry.
Then why are you defending totalitarian regimes?
I'm not. I am vehemently anti-fascist.
If you support the Soviet Union you're a really shit anti-fascist.
The Soviets were the greatest anti-fascist forces in history. They dismantled the Nazi empire and routed fascism from Europe with the help of the allies.
The Soviets were nothing but fascists with a thin coating of leftist aesthetic, just like you.
Why are you so anti-Soviet? Are you perhaps a National Socialist? :)
I don't like repressive authoritarian governments or their defenders. Go fuck yourself.
You should really be more civil...
Eat shit.
you cant even kill fascists in self defense without some bizarre westerner being angry
Hitler bravely killed Hitler, is that enough to respect him?