KasreanI'm hearing Lemmy itself, the .ml instance and some others are ran by Tankies that censor criticism of russia and china. What are your thoughts on this?
ThekingoflordaDo you have any proof of that? Just curious where you got that from (:
No proof, I just heard about it. A buddy and someone on reddit told me about "tankies on lemmy" which I dismissed as drama at first, then I heard it's actually the main devs too, then I did a quick google search and search on lemmy here, it seems universally agreed upon as fact at least in those threads from what I can see.
OOFshootI can't verify their censorship, but they also run Lemmygrad. If you take a look around there you'll find literal propaganda. The solution is to not interact with lemmy.ml at least that's the solution in my opinion.
Not sure about any censorship happening either, I'm just wondering even just what rogue devs could do once lemmy gets bigger, and I do worry about the social capital they get, afterall they promote their servers prominently on the main lemmy site. I can somewhat tolerate far right or far left on my social media (well not directly, but in the other room next to mine) as long as it's contained, follows ToS in good enough faith and doesn't spread too much through cryptic messaging and memes. I wonder if this crosses that line for me already, I'm not sure, and not sure what the facts of the situation actually are, hence the post.
idontpeoplegoodUnironically using the word "tankie" in a derogatory way gives off major lib vibes btw. And you know what happens if you scratch one of those.
that's pretty aggressive. noone is forcing you to identify with the bad parts of socialism.
BuGiJuNo is forcing you to side with fascists either...
millionhttps://mstdn.social/@feditips/106835057054633379
Kaldohttps://lemmy.pineapplemachine.com/post/5781
Where did you hear this from? That's pretty dumb, honestly, if it's true.
There's a public modlog at the bottom of the page; you can use that to see what mods are doing on whichever instance you're on. If there's any truth to that, you'll be able to find proof there.
I read this on mastodon talking about it
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I know the lemmygrad.ml instance claims to be Marxist but I don't think they're generally taken that seriously (and not to be confused with lemmy.ml) - is that what you're confusing? Apart from that, the federal nature of Lemmy means it doesn't really matter what the creator's political beliefs are.
Nah. I think the ".ml" means Marxist Leninist to them. At least that's what one of the tanky types I chatted to on lemmy.ml said.
andrewI’m pretty sure the domain name might just be a consequence of it being free to register for a year at a time through freenom, and being not super known for spam like .tk
One of the people I was taking too was complaining that people were surprised that it was tanky when it was "obvious" from the domain name that it was Marxist Leninist.
Yeah it's about as "obvious" as .us for urine sample
Some of them seem pretty deep in, not sure they have the most rounded world view.
ZakI think people are concerned because both lemmy.ml and lemmygrad.ml are operated by the Lemmy developers. At a minimum, that means I'd prefer to avoid communities based on lemmy.ml and favor servers with less spicy admins.
There is, however a popular idea that software tends to reflect the values of its authors. Mastodon seems to be "Twitter for nice people" or thereabouts. If Lemmy is "Reddit for militant communists", that's a problem for attracting an audience beyond militant communists because most people don't want to talk to them.
manitcorI don't think the creators of the software get to dictate the culture here. that would be like saying the developers of PHPBB or InvisionPowerBoard dictate what communities i run on thier projects (they dont).
Preview of the future is that it will be many federations with some bridges rather than one big federation, because of splits and issues like this.
GortThere are plenty of other instances to join if you don't like the .ml servers' opinions. From what I can see, all tastes are catered for. Just find another server.
And, no, I'm not affiliated with the .ml instances nor am I a so-called Tankie.
MiddleWeighWhat is even the purpose to censor info on what I'd assume was a foregm govt? What's the logic?
"Well this late stage communism makes my own ideals look bad?" Laughable and pathetic.
Personally, I don't care. What someone does, politically, with their free time on the internet doesn't affect me, at least in this instance. I'm not givin money to them, keep it movin.. tbh it's their loss if that's how they wanna live.
ddnomadThought I’m on NCD for a moment here lol
This is going to be why Lemmy doesn't take off long term.
JohannesOliverI don’t think it will keep it from taking off, but I am not sure that all the most popular communities should be on lemmy.ml.
I appreciate that the devs/admins for the most part do encourage dissent.
Idk would you sign up to a place you'd heard was run by tankies? I sure wouldn't.
Good thing most instances are run by other people, then.
Doesn't matter if most people here "run by tankies" and don't understand federation.
CheshireSnakeI mean, reddit's CEO used to mod thet sub. Reddit and redditors were still fine after it blew up. Why are there different standards? The sub may have been banned already, but I doubt spez has changed much.
MyOpinionMy thoughts are that you should use an instance that is in sync with your ethics. That is the freedom you have with opensource.
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I wish. Beehaw isn't sending out confirmation emails and I can't find any other ones that block the tankies.
Like I don't mind communists and socialists, they tend to be great people. But this? "hey everyone come over from reddit! You TOO can be insulted constantly for not adoring Soviet Russia!" It's an AWFUL look.
Read a book, bloodmouth
The things on Hexbear and Lemmygrad aren't "communists and socialists" though. They're just supporting straight up authoritarian regimes simply because they oppose "the west". It's just people shilling for Xi Jinping and Putin because they think they somehow still represent Communism.
kiwifoxtrotThis is why I chose to join lemmy.world vs. the main instance.
Romulus RoyBetter a tanky than a pig
I dunno, all boots taste of leather.
Not tankie boots. They're fake leather made by Chinese ~~slaves~~ comrades
AstrealixSoylent Red is people?
A pig painted red is still a pig.
@Kasrean From my experience it's more like a soft censoring. But yea, censoring does exist. I've interacted with Lemmy (specially lemmy.ml initially, since it was the largest instance containing all the communities I needed) even before the Reddit exodus. Back then there were only a handful of people creating content and the narrative they were spinning was something along the line of Look how bad the West is! Now look at how great China is!. Not to mention, the same people are against supporting Ukraine.
The problem was that it was really easy to make anti-russian or anti-china (edit: or to be, somehow racist against these, only by criticizing their governments, although not the same was applied to the anti-US posts - it was totally okay to be anti-America) posts or comments (in mods' views) and you were usually banned for it. Nowadays, tho, the situation is changing, and they get a small dose of their own medicine, lol (but you can still see the comments of these guys, many of them downvoted tho).
A_AYour description is succinct yet accurate : i know since i was there many months last year.
Ulu-Mulu-no-dieWho cares? We're not on lemmy.ml, are we?
BlinkerFluidCareful the steps you take from those kinds of thoughts, here. Lemmy is best when it is unified. A split down the middle, even worse, three ways could have drastic consequences for the sort of community, or even segmented communities that Lemmy could become if it schisms.
Lemmy could be a center-left haven for rational thought, or in three years it could be an extremely leftist community fighting an extremely right-wing community fighting a group that wants nothing to do with either, all cut off from eachother with non-political subs and the overall community suffering as a result.
Are you saying that everyone should have the same political opinions? I don't think so.
Each individual has the right to have their own opinions, and they have the right to express them, no matter how we might like them or not.
Blocking features exist for that reason, if something is too much for you to bear, block it and move on.
Lemmy is best when it is unified
Like reddit?
Lemmy will have a responsibility to thousands of users, only Lemmy is a federation. People here will come to agreements on various topics and political issues and it won't take long before the community is split on one.
Who calls the shots when everyone has equal say? That's when groups and hate start.
There's no such thing as "Lemmy together", Lemmy servers are individual instances of "Lemmy software" created and managed by different individuals that are totally independent from each other.
It's like individual subreddits, managed by different mods, each one with it's own rules and beliefs.
Weren't some subreddits split and hated each other? YES
Did that make reddit not valuable as a platform? NO because there were still many subs with amazing people and quality content.
When you have millions of people, divisions are inevitable, it will surely happen here if Lemmy gets enough traction, but I don't see it as a problem, reddit was fine regardless of it, Lemmy will be fine as well.
"Who calls the shots when everyone has equal say?" this is pretty much one of the core design goals of federated services. You get say in your server. People will federate or defederate naturally between servers, that's... The point.
it won’t take long before the community is split on one.
People are always "split" on all kinds of topics.. Conflicts and disagreements are part of the human experience and impossible to avoid.. The question is how you deal with conflicts.. Trying to avoid or suppress them doesn't work..
Who calls the shots when everyone has equal say?
Nobody calls the shots, that's the entire point.. People are free to form communities and run their communities however they see fit.. If a community has an issue with another community in significant enough ways, they will block each other and that's it..
And it's not like this is anything knew.. The internet is inherently diverse when it comes to different opinions, and that's ok..
You were saying?
https://sh.itjust.works/post/103490
undefined> Blocking features exist for that reason
Cool, where's the button to block lemmy.ml and lemmygrad?
If you want to block them as a server, go to a server that already does that, there are a few.
I tried. Can't join any of them. This was actually my 10th server I signed up for and it finally let me in. The rest mention a validation email that never comes.
I'd block lemmygrad, tbh.
I'm not blocking Lemmy.ml. They are worth a little more than one or two tankie mods. If it skews a little too far that direction, tho... maybe.
The entire point of sites like reddit, and even more lemmy, is that there are different communities with different purposes and views...
If you can't handle a variety of different political opinions, don't participate in them..
We can't block them and they commingle with communities we do want to see. It's impossible not to participate when it's absolutely everywhere. My first thought when I came to Lemmy was "Wow, this is a better reddit." An hour later? "Wow, this is just a tankie site."
We can’t block them
Of course you can block them, you can block anyone you want... You can only choose to get content from communities you are subscribing to.. You can choose to only get local content.. And if you want, you can even create your own Lemmy instance, only allow people you want, block any other instance you want and only browse locally...
It's as if you browse reddit/r/all and then complain that you get the content from subs you don't want..
I see your point and raise you the fact that I shouldn't have to deal with people who legitimately want me dead. And a lot of tankies unironically unapologetically do. Same thing I say to the alt-right applies: Free speech isn't a guarantee of a platform and it absolutely doesn't mean anyone has to listen to you.
I'm gonna fill up my block list in about a day at this rate.
Which 'tankies' want you dead? Are you a fascist?
'Tankies' and other leftists are the only ones supporting and fighting for my rights as an LGBTQ+ individual.
Anarchists laughing at the thought that tankies don't want them dead.
Tankies, very often, align with fascists on specific policy decisions. That's a huge part of what makes them tankies in the first place. Having a different aesthetic does not make them not authoritarian. You can talk about tankies supporting LGBTQ+ when most tankies aren't actively supporting Russia, a nation notoriously anti-LGBTQ+.
Important part of your second point, other leftists.