I've been watching the conversations around whether or not instances set-up should include a (easily-overridden) default of importing a blocklist for known awful instances.

Those against it pattern match for me with a certain libertarian streak that doesn't want humans making decisions.

In economics, it's the gold standard and free markets. In politics, government is inefficient and should be minimised.

It's the idea that a system with human decision-makers could be undermined...

1/n

@sgf unfortunately anger is contagious on mastodon-like systems and people who (sometimes) have good things to say boost hateful content; silencing based on user id or server is so 1998, in the transformer age each individual can train their own content-based filter

@UP8 @sgf

And they can also form together into communities, and share their efforts to reduce their work loads.

@UP8 @sgf bad faith actors should be blocked at the source. Content filters are generally not all that great either, and they are really bad when bad actors are attempting to circumvent them.

@UP8 I think it's useful to distinguish server blocks from user blocks. Servers don't get blocked because someone gets angry. They tend to be blocked for deliberate, cool-headed decisions to set up servers that enable trolling, racism, coordinated attacks etc.

Maybe the future there is deep learning, but it's a problem right now, and we have pretty effective human-curated, explainable block lists right now.

@sgf @UP8

Heck, in the situation he described:

> people who (sometimes) have good things to say boost hateful content

sounds like a description of a nazi enabler who sometimes shares cute cats pix. I still want to block their entire feed - the cats don't "balance out" the hatred.

@jztusk @sgf from the viewpoint of content-based filtering there is a spectrum of habitual and normalized microagressions such as the incorrect use of an "N-word". A simple filter can improve the ratio of productive to provocative.

I imagine these behaviors are "selfish memes" and don't necessarily reflect on people's deep character.

@UP8 @sgf

"habitual ... incorrect use of an "N-word"" tells me all I want to know about someone's character.

Who are we to impose a filter on someone trying so hard to tell us who they are?

@jztusk @sgf you would condemn these people?

https://tootfinder.ch/index.php?query=nazi&submitquery=Search

who (exclusively of Ukrainians) mainly use the word are incorrectly. Only a handful of very old men survive the NASDP unless you count a handful of cosplayers like George Lincoln Rockwell.

You can pick better insults to sling at authoritarians.

if i am wrong and they rock a swastika I apologize in advance.

When it is family and friends you have to love people no matter what rabbit hole they go down

- warm regards

Tootfinder

@UP8 @jztusk When people talk about the "n-word", they don't normally mean "Nazi", they mean a strong racist slur used against black people.

Ironically, it's also sometimes used by black people talking to other black people (trying to reclaim the word, perhaps), so it's a really bad candidate for a content-based filter that doesn't deeply understand context!

Nazi flags, DeSantis flags seen flying outside Disney during protests

Drivers spotted protesters outside Disney World in Orlando, Florida, flying Nazi flags and DeSantis flags.

@jztusk @sgf I can only hope they are extras from the Indiana Jones Epic Stunt Spectacular

@UP8 @jztusk I dislike this as a solution, in that simply ignoring bad behaviour and carrying on engaging on other content provides no feedback loop to discourage bad behaviour.

While individual bad behaviours might not reflect deep character, a failure to reflect on those behaviours and how they hurt people and try to improve with time does make me suspicious of that deep character!