VogeltjeJun 2, 2023
Danielle Navarro

There comes a point where, if you’re a professional who still uses twitter, you need to accept that this is what you’re supporting and your trans friends will no longer be your friends

https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/musk-i-will-lobby-to-criminalize

Musk: "I Will Lobby To Criminalize Doctors" Providing Lifesaving Care To Trans Youth

Elon Musk proclaimed that he would lobby to criminalize doctors providing it to trans youth. He then shared Matt Walsh's "What Is A Woman" on the 2nd day of Pride Month.

Erin In The Morning
Jun 2, 2023 at 11:36pmWeb
Show threadDanielle NavarroJun 2, 2023
I know that people don’t want to hear this. Everyone has their own particular reason Twitter is convenient to them. It’s hard to let that go. But choosing to stay is a still a choice, and it does have consequences. Maybe losing the respect and friendship of trans people in your community isn’t that big a deal to you. I’m not telling anyone what to do. It’s your decision, not mine. Nevertheless I have lost a lot of respect for people who are still there
Show threadDanielle NavarroJun 3, 2023
Special side eye to folks whose reason for staying is that they want to promote their companies products. Just use LinkedIn ffs. That’s literally what it exists for. Choosing to do that on Twitter too when you have so many other options is… well, that’s certainly a statement of values, isn’t it?
Show threadDanielle NavarroJun 3, 2023

Postscript to yesterday's thread, because I am still angry. Please understand that the situation on Twitter is not the same thing as one company having a bad CEO. Your choice to stay is a form of complicity in this behaviour. Sorry, but it is.

https://journa.host/@juddlegum/110481457229706712

Judd Legum (@[email protected])

Attached: 1 image Elon Musk: 1. Repealed Twitter’s rules protecting trans people from targeted harassment 2. Changed Twitter’s algorithm to promote his own tweets — even to people who don’t follow him 3. Is now using his account to promote anti-trans propaganda

Mastodon
Show threadBrendan HalpinJun 3, 2023

@djnavarro

All three of the assertions below can be true simultaneously (1 & 2 perhaps especially of online black community &, in a weaker sense, journalists):

"That's where our community/audience is, still; if we want to communicate we have to be there"

"We're used to surviving in spaces controlled by poisonous assholes, Elron is nothing new"

"Being there means you're painting the Nazi's bus"

3 is always true, the others only sometime.

Show threadDanielle NavarroJun 3, 2023
@bthalpin Yeah. I'm sympathetic to the second argument when made by people in the demographic being targeted (in this case it's trans people under direct fire, but the same thing happens to other minorities all the time too). Anyone who uses the first argument as their defence for why they're making data science posts on twitter, on the other hand, can go fuck themselves
Show threadBrendan HalpinJun 3, 2023
@djnavarro Yes. I get depressed when I drop into Twitter and see many of my former mutuals tweeting away as if nothing had changed.
Show threadRichard ShawJun 4, 2023

@bthalpin @djnavarro

The really annoying people are those who were quite happy to accumulate the kudos for pointing out twitter was a dumpster fire. However, after a brief sojourn Mastodon they have gone back to Twitter to collect kudos for ranting about the latest hot topic.

They are entirely heat and light, establish leadership positions for themselves, but when it comes to doing things differently they do nothing. They appear to be one of the drivers of conservatism.

Show threadDanielle NavarroJun 4, 2023
@RichardShaw @bthalpin Yes I reserve a particular deep venom for the "Okay yes Twitter is a wholly owned property of a deranged billionaire who manipulates the feed for his personal gain and is openly advocating for the extermination of my trans friends, but on the other hand someone on Mastodon once asked me to use a content warning so really there's very fine people on both sides and I'm gonna hang out in the Nazi bar for now" crowd
Show threadcbudJun 3, 2023
@djnavarro I liked people I followed on Twitter, including the R data science folks like you and the science articles that would get posted. It got a lot more hostile with extremists since Musk and then him backing DeSantis was just so extra blatant, especially after a few of his toxic posts. It was a shame because I had just made real-world contact with an international Twitter colleague. Quit that platform.
Show threadmissywombatJun 3, 2023

@djnavarro I didn't realise that he has a trans daughter. That poor girl having to experience a father that not just has difficulty accepting her and places conditions on his love but also actively campaigns against her support community.

What an odious man.

Show threadDanielle NavarroJun 3, 2023
@Donna165 Yeah. Every time I’m tempted to feel sorry for myself because I have tensions in my own family around this stuff I’m reminded that, well, at least my father isn’t a deranged lunatic openly advocating for my extinction
Show threadtodd ellisJun 3, 2023

@djnavarro Every time I begrudgingly open Twitter to get mad at the world, first feeling is a handful of sadness at the folks I would love to continue following on here still posting every hour, by the hour.

Get off the platform, folks. Especially if half your posts are just criticisms of Musk et al. Good grief.

Show threaddanwwilson🌱Jun 3, 2023
@djnavarro I think what he’s saying is he wants to criminalise doctors providing care to some youth. It doesn’t matter what the care is. If it’s healthcare that protects and preserves life it should not be criminal. Very much at the point where I don’t think I want to preserve my handle on the platform. I’d suggest that others consider the same. Stay safe and well @djnavarro
Show threadElio CampitelliJun 3, 2023
@djnavarro I think I just don't know the weird to express the depths of dismay, fear, sadness and anger from this whole fucking mess.
Show threadDanielle NavarroJun 3, 2023
@eliocamp Yeah. I know I shouldn’t be surprised, but it really makes me sad whenever I take a look at who is still on twitter and I see so many of my (now former) friends who profess to be trans allies. People will always disappoint when it comes to this issue
Show threadDeborah ApthorpJun 4, 2023
@djnavarro ok, I’ve been dragging my heels on this, but I just deleted my account. Have not been posting or even checking much, but I should have done this much earlier. Ugh. Sorry.
Show threadMax Lab UW SeattleJun 5, 2023
@djnavarro Agreed. Just mentioned to our lab's (former) friends on Twitter (we stopped posting there back in Nov) to check your thread! https://twitter.com/StutteringLabUW/status/1665576817611141123?t=wiscsP5VoOtF5y62g9ueRA&s=19
StutteringLabUW on Twitter

“As you may know, we are not posting meaningful info here anymore. We do that on Mastodon. Why, you ask? Here is one reason in a clear thread by Danielle Navarro and others: https://t.co/KL4vL6O6D4”

Twitter
Show threadstoicmikeJun 5, 2023
@djnavarro Why would any kind of "professional" still be using twitter, other than a political pro on the far right?
Show threadDanielle NavarroJun 5, 2023
@stoicmike Lots of people in data science having an each-way bet, I think. They'll post here because there's now a sizeable community in the fediverse. But they're not prepared to cut the cord and leave twitter, because their posts do numbers on twitter. That's the behaviour I'm starting to find a bit... suspect. Community leaders who have always considered themselves progressive, but can't quite make themselves walk out of a place that is very rapidly becoming a full-on Nazi bar... 😔
Show threadstoicmikeJun 5, 2023
@djnavarro i would rather have given up social media than stayed on that sewer. It became like being a fascist collaborator.
Show threadDanielle NavarroJun 5, 2023
@stoicmike I tend to agree. I don't think that sentiment has quite percolated out to my community yet. I think a lot of people still feel like it's just another social media network that maybe is a bit less pleasant than it once was. The whole "no, it's becoming Gab 2.0, and you've now become like those dudes who hold business meetings in strip clubs and can't work out why there are no women there" thing hasn't quite sunk in yet, I'm afraid