Tony, Pretty MuchMay 28, 2023

At first glance, if it holds, it does appear to capture how a mature, shrewd President who's been to the rodeo more than once mostly held his own against a screaming drooling mob fumbling around with open cans of gasoline and cigarette lighters.

Debt ceiling deal reached in principle by Biden and McCarthy to avoid default:
https://www.npr.org/2023/05/27/1177688226/debt-ceiling-deal-biden-mccarthy-latest

Show threadScott KnowlesMay 28, 2023
@TonyStark It shows president who doesn't have principles, and is willing to concede to republicans for a deal he can call bipartisanship compromise. Deht ceiling is political game that does nothing for the budget, revenue, spending, annual deficit, national debt. Biden has power under 14th Amendment to declare it unconstitutional, to ignore it, and to continue operating government as normal. He could make history. Instead he chose to play the game and Republicans won.
Show thread🥥 Tucker Carlson's Nuts 🥥
@wsrphoto @TonyStark 🥥 I'd like to hear from people who've touted the #14thAmendment as a debt ceiling quick fix how they would deal with the #GOP legal battles that would wind their way slowly through the courts while the US government defaults. 🥥
May 29, 2023 at 8:23pmWeb
Show threadTony, Pretty MuchMay 29, 2023

@JStatePost @wsrphoto Funny that lots of people here are so impractical but the one named after a fired Fox guy’s nuts is one of the more knowledgeable people I follow. The 14th and the coin minting thing don’t have anywhere to go.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/21/opinion/biden-mccarthy-debt-ceiling.html?unlocked_article_code=hn6E71wGu3JqC4_JdBH2xCggeJjGtAyGPiWtYfNWi9ha58IUh86zJsOr3dwKxRVAyslTzQT33DuzUF5MMZxjVk7rOpqct7HHfaACBTkgpBdOJ3UA4XM08G4tzfzZ3hkM5n1VScHNPIuYKsEjSnMPDjPUp8D8wCM9IZAqqinG3l_CW68GDYo5go8IYnGxxbIBdCciAQu5B4Xr_PtoDfXGqwVZSo9tzgByL6CYghNuM4uq42s6mTS3fG1TPep9OqzgPkeIOWCBZbFMZzXPAmjd--BUvnkd68fZX2Pe3itk3qpUnbhnQ_9cIKkYKyxbxRXYxYQ7ESeSEJK9OD3noUFP9zVV1VBiAg&smid=url-share

Opinion | Liberals Are Persuading Themselves of a Debt Ceiling Plan That Won’t Work

The limit Congress imposes is dumb, but Biden can’t just wave it away.

The New York Times
Show thread🥥 Tucker Carlson's Nuts 🥥May 29, 2023
@TonyStark @wsrphoto 🥥 Thank YOU for the follow and the boost Uncle Tony! 🥥
Show threadScott KnowlesMay 30, 2023

@JStatePost @TonyStark
Thoughts:
1. DOJ would represent the president invoking 14th Amendment. Republicans would hire their own attorneys.

2. To keep government operating and paying bills, court would suspend debt ceiling while issue is litigated until SCOTUS issues ruling.

3. SCOTUS can't rule 14th Amendment is unconstitutional. It is the Constitution. They're bound by its words.

4. Can't see SCOTUS would rule 14th Amendment doesn't apply to debt ceiling, or Congress has power to put government in violation of 14th Amendment.

Seems 14th Amendment is there so government never defaults on debts incurred for operation of the government and for payments for the people.

Show threadTony, Pretty MuchMay 30, 2023

@JStatePost @wsrphoto Factually, none of what you’re saying here is on the mark, including the bit about a president’s role.
It’s ok to admit you were uninformed. You are informed now.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/21/opinion/biden-mccarthy-debt-ceiling.html?unlocked_article_code=zjUlAxtP57-B33p-1NJuQECULMj15qFG-4z2-b569uwEBe6EKqMdKoqmeiUXaGjlE839eyDQG38GCpH_1dLBjwy2tMYyPQ0zO3xiAL2ck2hj4M2ie3YFodMKpspphlKkM7gEuuy8k0UnvoPuDDyqJhf_gzovnaT1udWMDRFoFvHm96zchoUiI-3uutMRdBSTvlL9dYQJ7gSwc0SJUUQ75YafkvJCB5KACwdUcM1FSA5JENiaMuZZJMdMr8NHNG9NAZkEHr2eIVrMhwDbtQ7l9zbYw2t6ouxZfiLM5cAbu_P1HM8eud09MlTCwl4S270ucdd8CSkyxGVlAJWaNGkwf-vfuZvETA&smid=url-share

Opinion | Liberals Are Persuading Themselves of a Debt Ceiling Plan That Won’t Work

The limit Congress imposes is dumb, but Biden can’t just wave it away.

The New York Times
Show threadScott KnowlesMay 30, 2023

@TonyStark @JStatePost I didn't say Biden and democrats' plan wouldn't work. I'm saying Biden is acting like a senator, not a president. He threw his options out at the beginning and committed to negotiations. He then sidelined democrats to take over negotiations. President tells what he'll sign and leave negotiations to Congress.

As to 14th Amendment, it would be years in litigation, so any competent judge would suspend debt ceiling while the case is litigated, just like laws under litigation are suspended. Republicans wouldn't contest it to impose debt ceiling while challenging Biden over it. Biden's excuse isn't good one.

Show threadTony, Pretty MuchMay 30, 2023
@wsrphoto @JStatePost SCOTUS - competent judge. You just don’t know what you’re talking about. Republicans wouldn’t contest it- even worse. Either you’re one of them or are so completely ignorant of reality, you’re not worth speaking to.
Show threadHeimdall 🏳️‍🌈May 30, 2023
@TonyStark @[email protected] @JStatePost LOL- yes, let’s remember all the times Thomas and Alito are reasonable. LOLOL