@TonyStark Tony, two questions: could the dems have raised the debt ceiling back in January without this showdown? Can the debt ceiling be raised by executive order and thus avoided the cuts that were insisted upon? Thanks!

@Stoneycase No and no.

@Stoneycase Yeah- unfortunately SCOTUS. No point sending it there which is where it would end up and enduring the interim world instability.

@TonyStark Thanks for that. Seems like we will be adding “unfortunately SCOTUS” as a label going forward to all things progress, logic and / or equality that don’t happen.

@Stoneycase Accurate and yet another reason that elections matter and while we on the progressive end can certainly afford discussion, we cannot afford unnecessary division.

@TonyStark @Stoneycase At least people got to feel good about themselves for not voting for Hillary.

@mikej @Stoneycase It’s those people who still refuse to admit they were wrong that are a real problem. They should be smarter and aren’t. MAGA heads are just stupid and we can’t expect anything better. Ever.

@TonyStark @mikej Close friend has a MAGA family. His brother finally removed his Trump stickers from his truck. Parents are still all in. They live in California. I shudder to think what some communities around the country feel like. My family has all passed away or lean strong democrat. Haven’t had any uncomfortable interactions with family. Truly blessed for that.

@Stoneycase @TonyStark @mikej Neighbor on our little rural circle has at the end of his drive a mannequin w DJT mask, army fatigues, holding a plastic AR. Signs hanging around it say Copperhead RD, Buck Fiden, a confed flag saying “it ain’t over.” Used to display a rubber Obama head on a pike at DJT’s knees. Neighborhood had him remove that. He was surprised anyone found it offensive. He open-carries as he walks around the neighborhood. When they’re in deep, they’re in deep.

@mikebabyak @Stoneycase @TonyStark I expect those people to be awful. What I can't stand is the people who want to tell you how terrible liberals are because they aren't leftists who wouldn't vote for an impure liberal.

@mikebabyak @Stoneycase @TonyStark And don't get me wrong. If you weren't on twitter, 99% of the people who favored other candidates happily voted for the less evil candidate because they were less evil. If you were extremely online though, you heard a lot from the small percentage that demanded purity.

@mikej @mikebabyak @Stoneycase @TonyStark I had a good friend who essentially called me a traitor to the left because I voted for Hillary in the general rather than Jill Stein. He was a formerly reasonable person who went so far off the rails I had to block him on Twitter.

@BruceMirken @mikej @mikebabyak @Stoneycase @TonyStark I will not forgive the Steiners for allowing Trump.

@Allyson @BruceMirken @mikej @mikebabyak @TonyStark Not a Steiner, but also don’t understand this statement. Did she pull that many votes in the Midwest? I thought only California voted Green. And Ca went Biden in 2016. Is there a source article showing she helped flip swing states in 2016?