Elon Musk is launching the presidential campaign of Ron DeSantis, the man working to make The Handmaidโ€™s Tale a reality in the US.

At least the Germans had guns to their heads if they opposed the Nazis. What exactly is your excuse for continuing to support this man and his social network?

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@aral Handmaid's Tale and Nazis are a pretty mixed metaphor.
@nafnlaus @aral Are they really? It's all about control.
@clacke @aral um, no. It's abour religious extremism vs. extreme racism. Nazi Germany wasn't anything like The Handmaid's Tale. Hitler wasn't even very religious (though the Nazis had sort of an alliance with the Catholic church.. though also dabbled in paganism). And contrarily, The Handmaid's Tale wasn't about a conspiracy that Jews are a mind virus causing races to ignore interests essential to their survival in an upcoming resource panic.

@nafnlaus @aral They are not the same, but they are not unrelated. "Aryan" women were supposed to be ovens for baking the next generation of "pure" soldiers.

Fascism is about the subservience of the individual to the state, whether the dominant tool is racism, sexism or class war.

@clacke @aral They were not forced into it.

If to you the essence of Naziism and The Handmaid's Tale is both "Women are encouraged to raise large families", then you have no clue about either of them (but *especially * Naziism*).

@nafnlaus If you believe the Nazi breeding programs were simply about "encouraging" women, then there isn't much more to say.

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@clacke @aral Okay, if a person ***actually accepts facts*** then there isn't much more to say indeed.

Nazis were NOT mass forcing women to have children. Any assertion otherwise is 100% ahistorical. They encouraged women to marry with propaganda, awards (such as the Mother's Cross), social organizations (such as NS-Frauenschaft), etc. And even still, women worked - just in "traditional feminine jobs" (nurses, teachers, secretaries, etc).

@clacke @aral And even then, there were prominent single women. For example, though she eventually married (briefly) in 1944, the single Leni Riefenstahl was the most famous film propagandist of the Nazi regime, directing such infamous films as The Triumph of Will. Or for a more extreme example, the youngest woman to ever be executed under British law was Irma Grese, a brutal and sadistic Auschwitz guard, sentenced to death at the Belsen trial.
@nafnlaus Your analysis is that Handmaid's Tale and Nazism are a mixed metaphor, because Nazis empowered women to become propagandists and death camp guards?
@clacke Because they were *entirely different unrelated things*.
I'd argue both are unrelated to outlawing abortion.

There may be people who want to ban abortion because they just want to control women, but my moment was seeing my 10 weeks in gestation son kicking on the ultrasound. I saw this human with arms and legs moving around on its own, and I watched that little human and watched his beating heart and the thought that popped in my head was a sardonic "it's just a clump of cells" -- it clearly wasn't just a clump of cells. That was a tiny living human. Wilfully killing such a thing because it's inconvenient or defenseless or because you can't see it since it's behind a layer of skin didn't seem acceptable at that point. My right to swing my fist ends before it hits your face.

On a completely different track, historically there are examples where different cultural values led to completely different outcomes. For example, in imperial Japan, babies weren't considered people at all and children came to exist in the real world on a spectrum as they aged, so there was an extremely common practice of killing babies when they were born for the good of the community. In one famous story, a person who was considered moral had a relatively grown child and his mother, but not enough food to feed both, and killed the child so the mother could eat and that was considered just because the mother could have more children in the future. That goes to show that changes in underlying cultural assumptions does make a big difference in the outcomes of the moral calculus.

That being the case, we reach an ought-is problem. We can largely agree on the objective facts, but our interpretation of those facts, and the principles upon which the facts are judged against change, and so similarly two people in the same society can come to wildly different conclusions. In my case, I spent 12 years trying to have a child fully ready to have one, finally succeeded, and raising my son is one of the most deeply existentially fulfilling experiences I've ever had. Of course I'll come to much different conclusions than someone who doesn't want a child, can't support a child, is sure they'd be miserable if they had a child, and has no idea what that baby looks like.

It's important to realize that just because you deeply disagree with someone doesn't mean they're necessarily evil people. The moment you start dehumanizing people by making them into the personification of evil, that's actually when you start seeing things like the Nazis because when you're fighting pure evil the ends always justify the means.