The "economy" will shrink to fit within the earth systems of which is it a subsidiary. The status quo wants it to seem like that's the debate, but ya' can't debate physics, biogeochemistry, and ecology. The debate is about how much of that shrinking is chosen vs imposed and whether the shrinking subscribes to just and ethical principles or not.
@bethsawin not just that. It's also about how much shinking we risk, if we keep denying the need to change course.

@bethsawin Is like some broke guy with gambling addiction. The longer they denying the reality, the worse their situation they get.

We're now at the stage "hmm, maybe we should start looting gas stations for money to gamble with"