Imagine a country on the way to a presidential election.

Presidential candidate A is criticized for lying constantly, trying to overturn the last election, stealing top secret documents from government, being involved in financial fraud, and having sexually abused a woman.

Presidential candidate B is criticized for being 4 years older than candidate A.

Then imagine, that this presidential election is a toss-up, because candidate A is really entertaining to watch on tv.

This is where we are.

@randahl We saw this in 2016. Hillary Clinton was one of the most experienced Presidential candidates in US history, and the bar was incredibly high for her while there was none for Trump.

@cosettepaneque @randahl

Was she? I remember her only for the huge blunder of letting the embassy cables be distributed to junior analysts like Manning all over the world, and then trying to shift the blame to Assange.

The Dem Party chose her because of internal party politics. Not because of her qualifications as future President, or her appeal to voters.

@JorgeStolfi @cosettepaneque @randahl yeah, definitely not because of appeal, she was a singularly uncharismatic candidate. I mean that is a stupid reason not to vote for her, just sayin'.

@ech @cosettepaneque @randahl

Considering that there were tens of millions of diehard voters on either side, surely there were many millions in the middle of the spectrum, who ended up voting for Trump, or stayed home, just because of that "feature".

@JorgeStolfi @ech @cosettepaneque @randahl That “feature” was a feature of how the media selectively portrayed her.

@Pineywoozle @ech @cosettepaneque @randahl

Was it really? I haven't seen her shine in public speeches or interviews ever -- during, before, or after the campaign.

What were her accomplishments as a State Secretary? One that I recall (besides that blunder of leaking the super-confidential embassy "cables") was her order to the ambassadors to try to collect fingerprints and DNA of foreign leaders in the respective countries. That is, act like spies -- which is totally taboo for ambassadors.

@JorgeStolfi @ech @cosettepaneque @randahl Yes it was. You don’t like her. That’s a you issue. I’ve seen her shine and so have the 3 million more voters than tRump that also gave her the popular vote despite the medias best effort.

@Pineywoozle @ech @cosettepaneque @randahl

Again, of course I would have voted for her rather than Trump. That is not the point.

@JorgeStolfi @Pineywoozle @ech @randahl Isn't it? This conversation began because Randahl pointed out that this presidential election is a toss-up, which it should not be. When I said the same thing happened in 2016, you went for HRC's qualifications. Here we are still on that. There was a ridiculously high bar for HRC, and there has never been a bar for Trump. As he's "joked", he probably could shoot someone in Times Square and get elected, and we'd explain it by saying Biden is too old.

@cosettepaneque
In the US, Trump policies allowed covid19 to kill 341 people per 100,000.

Now compare that to

Denmark: 143
Norway: 94
Finland 162

And voters who have lost their loved ones STILL want Trump reelected. Mind blowing.

@JorgeStolfi @Pineywoozle @ech

@randahl @cosettepaneque @JorgeStolfi @Pineywoozle @ech It's the trolley problem except that on the other path nobody gets run over but you have to occasionally wear a mask.