Scot HackerBest explanation I've seen of why the Paradox of Tolerance is no paradox at all.
GrayGooGirl 🏳️🌈@shacker
I don't think this stands up to scrutiny. If the only reason to not tolerating intolerance is that it violates the social contract, then by extension we shouldn't tolerate anything that violates the social contract, which makes the people who set policies about what is socially acceptable able to dictate who should or shouldn't be tolerated. This is why queer folk have suffered ostracization and demonization for so long. You can't really divorce ethics from tolerance.
I don't think this stands up to scrutiny. If the only reason to not tolerating intolerance is that it violates the social contract, then by extension we shouldn't tolerate anything that violates the social contract, which makes the people who set policies about what is socially acceptable able to dictate who should or shouldn't be tolerated. This is why queer folk have suffered ostracization and demonization for so long. You can't really divorce ethics from tolerance.
Ostrich@graygoogirl @shacker Yes, and what exactly is the social contract? In a fascist society, the contract is that you must maintain loyalty to the state and constantly prove it with service and sacrifice. By the standard set forth in this thread, fascism would be "tolerant".
Tolerance is by definition unconditional, and a society that faces no paradox of tolerance is probably neither free nor just.
Tracy Hall@ostrich @graygoogirl @shacker
you are pedantically changing the definition. The "social contract" of tolerance is ONLY the agreement to tolerate EACH OTHER. Your definition of "acceptance" is an example of NOT tolerating, and is thus completely irrelevant.
The point is that the ideal of tolerance is NOT a suicide pact.
@video_manager @graygoogirl @shacker It's not pedantry, it's a very important line to understand the shape of. The idea of conditional basic rights colors a lot of informal systems of oppression right now- especially the kinds that kill sex workers, trans folks, and folks of color. The idea that we can look the other way when people are raped in prison if they were "bad enough" is part and parcel of rights and tolerance being part of a breachable "contract".
Natanael ⚠️@ostrich @video_manager @graygoogirl @shacker thus proportionality principle and other principles of due process
@Natanael_L @video_manager @graygoogirl @shacker What is proportional is contentious, contextual, and argued at length every single day. It's not objective without a central arbitration authority like a judge.