@Holberg @BruceMirken
the whole gun debate is so impossibly mired in old, stale arguments that everyone's heard a thousand times, and already has equally old, stale counterarguments
it's too easy to pick apart the bad-faith and self-contradictory right-wing arguments so let's focus on the good-faith liberal arguments
yes, you're right, of course the framers were thinking about the militia, but this whole argument is just as hogwash as the current court pretending to read the minds of dead white men from the 1700s as the only valid guide to whether everyone can carry weapons in times square
and on the left we think right-wingers just need a little education and they'll think like we do, just show them photos of ripped up bodies, and they'll understand
but they're not unaware, many have fought in actual shooting and bombing wars, they know better than we do the horrific effects of these weapons
in their minds they're the good guys, the ones who are hard-headed enough to withstand brutal consequences in service to lofty abstractions like freedom and tradition and nation and purity and god
repeating the old, stale arguments and counteraguments gets us nowhere
instead of wishful thinking about eliminating all the weapons, we need to understand our adversaries and act accordingly