Omar LizardoSociology is a team science
Herman van de Werfhorst@omarlizardo but *why* the “Sociological Review” and not the more significant “European Sociological Review” in the analysis…? I hope it’s not ignorance.
Giselinde KuipersPuzzled - I get the point about ESR but what's wrong with the Sociological Review? It's a different paradigm than what you usually do (and less focused on co authorship) but it's really good for, for instance, my line of work, like ESR has a clear agenda with empirical focus, decent impact factor etc, and been in existence for 100+ years which also is pretty impressive.
If you want to stand up for one thing, why bash another?
@Giselinde @omarlizardo It wasn’t about bashing Soc Review but I feared it had to do with similarity in names. And honestly, leaving out ESR, Sociology, and the BJS from the main paper (leaving aside the appendix) is not illustrative of a great knowledge of European sociology. And maybe I am wrong but among the British journals the Soc Review doesn’t come out as particularly strong in my view.
@Giselinde @omarlizardo My concern about American knowledge of European sociology stretches farther than this case - I feel Americans think about European sociology as we do about, say, Sociology from the global south. We don’t keep ourselves updated, there may be something interesting happening, but we don’t fully understand the debates.
@Giselinde @omarlizardo It wasn’t a mix up of names though, luckily. Fairly enough, the author chose long-lasting journals to show the trend. But that again doesn’t explain the omission of the BJS or Sociology. Anyway, I like such stats on publications. Although I could imagine there is a lot more to do with data on authorships, why not model it, for instance (and use big data techniques). But alas.
Totally agree with the issue of Americans don't getting the European landscape, and that's of course annoying. The absence of BJS or Sociology is also weird. But TSR has a long history and it's a pretty strong brand (though not yours).
( I think the comparison with the global south is stretching it just a little... ? I don't think I've ever heard of a European sociologist reading or publishing in, say, an African journal..)
@Giselinde @omarlizardo I was thinking of the Indian Jnl of Economics (or so), that former colleagues of ours kept telling me to read... They may have been right, but I didn’t. And besides: are there so many Americans publishing in European journals…? 😉
I think I remember these colleagues 😊 Yes, there may be good reason to take Indian sociology more seriously than we do. Anyway, Some (semi-)European journals are doing quite well qua Americans, notably the cultural sociology journals CS and Poetics (both in the sample I saw but CS probably is the most transatlantic subfield), as well as the curious example of European Journal of S/Archives Europeennes which is mostly an American-French collab these days.