CoralI was finally getting used to NOT having quote-posts.
Please, can we not hate-share things? Don't QP to dunk. QP to "yes-and," and QP for memes, but don't QP hate into your friends' timelines.
Rachel, Femme Doux Naturel@coral yeah, the toxic dunking culture is something that I absolutely don't miss from twitter, and I don't understand why people are de-facto inviting it here.
Greyshley @YKantRachelRead @coral gargron...
well, he's not a musk-level musk, but his decisions are often questionable.
well, he's not a musk-level musk, but his decisions are often questionable.
acm@YKantRachelRead because there are other uses that people like and miss?
William Pietri@coral Excellent way to put it. Thanks!
Pete@coral My personal promise to myself has been that, if I quote-post anything, it should be to celebrate someone, to advertise their work or their art more widely.
Bob Mottram :debian:@coral Quote posts are a rising curse. I am noticing an increasing number of them entering my rejects log.
Why people want to bring toxic insta-dunking behavior from Twitter - hit that button and type your slur, then send - is beyond me. But I do not claim to know much about much.
Why people want to bring toxic insta-dunking behavior from Twitter - hit that button and type your slur, then send - is beyond me. But I do not claim to know much about much.
@ThatMermaid_J @coral can you quote on here?
MackajNot yet. There's just been an announcement to say that feature is coming soon.
Kay Elby@coral This is the thing I keep trying to escape on social media, and I hope there are ways to mute it when it comes here. QTs make it so easy to say "I am angry about this and I want everyone around me to be angry about it too" but honestly my heart just can't take being that mad all the time.
agile_otter@coral Recreational Anger: read things that upset you so you can feel upset, and share it so other people can be angry along with you and you feel less alone. These things needn't be true to suffice: make some up.
Habitual Disdain: hating someone because you have for a long time, attributing malfeasance to everything they do. Share "information" (truthful or not, it doesn't matter). The more shaming and blaming you put on them, the more easily you can justify your disdain.
These are the textually-transmitted diseases of social media.
Leftwardswing@coral I've not seen the option to QP things, only repost.
Pyperkub@coral Basic suggestion - if you think you might be violating #WheatonsLaw , you probably are... http://www.wheatonslaw.com/
Kaladin 🧑🦽💨@coral I'd be less offended by quote-posts if they were Quote-Toots
Artemis@coral oh no has Mastodon instituted quote-tweets
mybarkingdogs@coral will also add that if people *must* use a QP/QT to dunk - make it meaningful and always punch UP.
I'm not even *against* the idea of dunking and callouts per se as they're a way of speaking revolutionary truth to power - what I did hate about the birdsite's take on it was the lateral violence or eliminationist punching down, often on the basis of something out of context/assumed to be the very worst it could be
@coral Like, people need to understand those concepts well before bringing the tool over here to cause more damage.
What I'd just like to tell people is - is the problem resolvable by a single non quote reply to a person (e.g. they unknowingly used problematic language/framing)? Then reply them or DM them. And a few other points... (sorry would put here but my text window overruns)
@coral Is someone mentally ill or in a bad place? Hold off on the dunk, mental health/wellbeing is itself a gigantic privilege and "help" forced by public shaming/cutting someone off from support they do have is often no help at all, regardless of what Intervention told everyone... and then...
@coral the most important thing people forgot over there - is it *worth it* because once the QT dogpile is on anyone can see it, anyone can join it - including fascists, stalkers, etc
Sometimes it is - I'd never tell someone to "just block" on a rapist for example. Most times, it isn't worth the splash damage and block/mute/report is a better idea
@coral "they are performing [fill in the blank] INCORRECTLY and-" Mute. Block.
"EVERYONE hates them" Not before that QT they won't.
"but I have PROOF they spent $20 of their fundraiser on weed-" Melon Husk probably spent 20 mil on *crappy* weed. Yell at him. /end 🧵
@mybarkingdogs @coral The inevitable problem is that EVERYONE thinks they are Speaking Truth To Power and doing something righteous. When in reality they're 90% of the time opening up some rando to harrassment - and the 10% of the time they are QT'ing someone powerful, that powerful person doesn't care and it just ends up putting odious opinions on someone's feed just so that the QT-er can get the smug glowing feeling of Take That!
@mybarkingdogs @coral Like, is any of that revolutionary, actually? Or is it just personally satisfying the urge to say Take That?
@moonspider @coral That's actually a good point, and why I *really* wish people would do better here. Save these for when it's REALLY important and something we can impact via publicity or information
@moonspider @coral Like, QT/QP callouts/pileons need to be seen as the very last resort, reserved for situations involving unchecked privilege/power abuse where *nothing* else is sufficient to prevent further harm - not something where merely asking a reply question/for an edit could fix, not something that could be resolved with no one being seriously harmed just by blocking/muting/moving on.
🐚 Undo Influence 🐚And honestly, I always thought even punching up was a waste of time if it was a professional troll whose whole living or reputation rested on getting a ton of their haters riled up every day. Seeing that on a bad day from people who should've known better was what finally drove me to dump Twitter for good.
@xenophora @coral That's actually a really good point. If someone's actively inviting it they're likely trying to play you
👩🦯The Blind Fraggle@coral I think I only once QRTed something mean. Usually I did it to show my agreement or say what I loved about something.
Innocent Abroad@coral
Good luck with that. Seriously. I'd like people to follow your advice. I'm just not optimistic.
Good luck with that. Seriously. I'd like people to follow your advice. I'm just not optimistic.
Jonny Nexus@coral Yes, this. I like quoting when I'm essentially explaining *why* I'm quote tweeting/boosting it, by adding my additional thoughts / context / history on top of the point being made.
Also, I think it's vital that people making posts can mark as to whether or not they want them quotable, so if you know it's something that will bring on the haters you can not make it easy for them.
Zoe 
@coral I would hope that instance admins introduce rules to prevent hate quoting and block users that do it. If it is left unchecked, it can be bad. I think that with how the fedi is set up, we are in a better position than twitter to prevent malicious use of quotes. I think quotes are super useful for adding context for your followers or adding content warnings to posts that your followers may not want to see. Let’s all work together to keep the usage of quotes friendly and wholesome.