Charlotte ClymerApr 14, 2023
Defending Nazi memorabilia or artifacts or whatever the hell by citing an “appreciation for history” rings hollow when you spend your free time at school board meetings screaming at teachers for having the audacity to teach your white child about American slavery and Jim Crow.
Show thread(((Baslow)))Apr 14, 2023
@charlotteclymer
I would make a distinction.
Publicly accessible museums -- or even collections of artifacts and manuscripts which are accessible only to qualified scholars and experts -- can provide us with valuable insights into the past -- especially those aspects of the past we'd prefer to forget.
The distinction lies not so much in the things or the collections of things but in the attitudes towards and disposition of them, of the place they hold in the larger system of public thought.
Show threadWesley FaulknerApr 14, 2023
@baslow @charlotteclymer I believe the distinction is that she's talking about an individual and their choices and actions.
Show thread(((Baslow)))Apr 14, 2023
@wesley83 @charlotteclymer
No, I understand, but our posts are global and last far longer than the immediate context. Encountered by someone a few days from now, the context of this post may be obscure or lost. This is simply me, popping up randomly, to remind people I deem to be conscientious actors that what we say here is more like a worldwide radio broadcast than it is like a tete-a-tete in a salon. It is in the interest of forces of division that we forget that...
Show threadWesley FaulknerApr 14, 2023

@baslow @charlotteclymer I'm sorry but I don't understand. The toot was clear to me without any external context. Are you concerned that someone would read it and think what? That Nazi stuff should be destroyed? Is that where your head is at?

Can you clarify what ill you were trying to avoid?

Show threadNicole ParsonsApr 14, 2023

@wesley83 @baslow @charlotteclymer

Why is this tactic of hair splitting over the definition of terms so often used?

It redirects the conversation into the weeds. Red herring derailment of the point. Discussion of irrelevant minutiae instead of the whole.

I don't care about the difference between "memorabilia" or "artifact".

I care about a Supreme Court Justice taking bribes from a billionaire. A billionaire who thinks Nazi statues are "cool".

Show thread(((Baslow)))Apr 14, 2023
@Npars01 @wesley83 @charlotteclymer
An examination of my most recent posts, as well as a much longer string, from two different accounts. hashtagged #SeizeTheMeansOfCommunity, will help you understand where I'm coming from generally and my qualms about trying to discuss these matters in the microblogging format in particular.
I am not disagreeing with what I take to be the substance of what was posted but we clearly differ on refinements of expression.
Such is the world.
Show threadWesley FaulknerApr 14, 2023
@baslow @Npars01 @charlotteclymer Thank you for the recommendation to look into that hashtag. I'll get to researching.
Show thread(((Baslow)))Apr 14, 2023
@wesley83 @Npars01 @charlotteclymer
I truly believe we will make much more progress in solving real-world problems if we can collectively form self-run communities of discourse which, by enabling richer and more deliberative forms of interaction, can tear us away from the "drive-by" community encouraged by those forces intent on harvesting (and using against us) the data we provide in our less-guarded, on-the-fly cries of pain, anger, and even joy.
Show threadjoeApr 14, 2023

@baslow @wesley83 @Npars01 @charlotteclymer couldn't you just discuss the original post, and if something seems unclear ask the original context?

You've got a few replies in here but you're not really talking to the original point whatsoever.

It's just muddying the water for a hypothetical situation that may never arise.

Show thread(((Baslow)))Apr 14, 2023
@Smokinjoe @wesley83 @Npars01 @charlotteclymer
When you are publicly visible on the internet you are *never doing just one thing* however much you want to focus on just one aspect. You focus on a conversation among like-minded people but, because public, your posts are observable by others and can even be fed into giant databases designed to control your interaction with the internet.
I am trying to raise consciousness of that fact...and suggest refinements and alternatives.
Show thread(((Baslow)))Apr 14, 2023
@Smokinjoe @wesley83 @Npars01 @charlotteclymer
This is actually true of all human social life, particularly, and animal social life, generally.
You can't just walk across the street...you can't, e.g., adopt a Pythonian, Ministry-of-Silly-Walks mode of walking, without drawing (possibly negative) evaluative attention.
Erving Goffman's "Behavior In Public Places" (and subsequent work) was all about this.
Show threadNicole ParsonsApr 14, 2023

@baslow @Smokinjoe @wesley83 @charlotteclymer

Again, good points, but you're hijacking a discussion about Clarence Thomas's public corruption to discuss...something else.

Non sequiturs aren't helpful. It's not amplifying the core message about judicial corruption. Some may misconstrue this as coat tailing.

Please stay on topic or perhaps start a different threat to discuss these side issues.

They are worthy of exploration but not on this particular thread.

Show thread(((Baslow)))Apr 14, 2023

@Npars01 @Smokinjoe @wesley83 @charlotteclymer

Hijacking how? What prevents this thread from being a single trunk with many branches?

Show threadNicole Parsons

@baslow @Smokinjoe @wesley83 @charlotteclymer

May I recommend a book?

The Oxford Dictionary of Social Media.

It describes terms such a sea lioning, spreading, firehosing, coat tailing, signal-to-noise ratio, Gish Gallop, and sock puppeting. These are all techniques and tactics used to divert & derail discussions on social media.

https://www.oxfordreference.com/display/10.1093/acref/9780191803093.001.0001/acref-9780191803093;jsessionid=8BA733EBF5B3C51F52FDE6F36B7B0F01

Apr 14, 2023 at 4:50pmWeb
Show threadSayyadina Apr 14, 2023
@Npars01 @baslow @Smokinjoe @wesley83 @charlotteclymer The link throws a 503 error for me.
Show threadjoeApr 14, 2023
@Npars01 @baslow This is awesome! Great share!
Show thread(((Baslow)))Apr 14, 2023

@Npars01 @Smokinjoe @wesley83 @charlotteclymer

A survey of recent comments would seem to indicate that there are plenty of people who have posted, undeterred, responses to the OP. They have simply ignored what I said. My comments have in no way prevented a discussion on the points first made from taking place.
So how do my comments constitute a "derailment" except to those who are easily distracted?

Show threadjoeApr 14, 2023

@baslow @Npars01

those who are easily distracted deserve better treatment than reading your posts

please be mindful and stop derailing threads for the love of all that is holy

Show thread(((Baslow)))Apr 14, 2023

@Smokinjoe @Npars01

A mission statement from the past: https://asorrybowl.blog/what-im-going-to-be-when-i-grow-up

In evaluating it, you might want to refresh your memory on Socrates' modus operandi.

What I'm Going To Be When I Grow Up

At various times in my life I aspired to be: an expert a teacher a writer a chacham (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hakham) a thought lea...

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