Flittermouse 🔞🐩   Apr 5, 2023
@jakob @jupiter_rowland @JorgeStolfi @valhalla @cstross
I get the italics, bold, and block quotes, too. If somebody isn't getting that, and it's important enough to them, they can easily migrate to an instance that will provide the markup. I actually did that myself a couple of weeks ago, but for reasons unrelated to the capabilities of the social media server. My old account was on a Mastodon instance called musician.social, and my new account is running Akkoma, a hard fork of Pleroma.

Despite running a completely different implementation, Akkoma was capable of migrating my Mastodon followers, followed, and other settings over. My old posts couldn't be migrated, but I find this limitation acceptable. I can understand why some may be wary of migrating.
Musician.Social

Mastodon site for Musicians and people into Music

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Show threadJorge StolfiApr 5, 2023
@bitnik @jupiter_rowland @valhalla @jakob @cstross
Perusing the description in this link, https://www.w3.org/TR/activitypub/ it seems to me that ActivityPub is a standard protocol for the exchange of FILES, leaving their interpretation entirely to users; rather than a protocol for exchange of MESSAGES (including blogposts, articles, etc) -- that is, textual/visual/auditory artifacts, possibly with embedded or attached files. Is this correct.? >>
ActivityPub

The ActivityPub protocol is a decentralized social networking protocol based upon the [ActivityStreams] 2.0 data format. It provides a client to server API for creating, updating and deleting content, as well as a federated server to server API for delivering notifications and content.

Show threadJorge StolfiApr 5, 2023

@bitnik @jupiter_rowland @valhalla @jakob @cstross

In this regard (apart from interaction model), ActivityPub is more like old FTP, rather than SMTP+MIME, NNTP, the WWW, and the "social networks".

That is, AP does not try to ensure that a message sent by a user from a compliant server can be read faithfully (apart from non-semantic layout and looks) by recipients in every other server. Because the sender may use a message format that the receiver can't properly handle.

Is this correct?

Show threadFlittermouse 🔞🐩   Apr 5, 2023
@JorgeStolfi @jupiter_rowland @valhalla @jakob @cstross I'm not an implementer, but it's my understanding that the recipient can tell the sender what it can handle, while the sender may include a source attribute containing the original content, as well as the transformed content that complies with the recipient's stated requirements.

I think somebody above referred to the notion of degrading gracefully, and that's certainly possible using such mechanisms.
Show threadJorge StolfiApr 5, 2023

@bitnik @jupiter_rowland @valhalla @jakob @cstross

Yes, but that is still not good. Within ActivityPub, one cannot write a *message* that, a priori, is known to be correctly readable by any of the intended recipients -- unless it is a short (< 500 bytes) text in plain ascii, with no italics, boldface, or other markup, and no embedded images... >>

#Fediverse #ActivityPub #FediverseFragmentation

Show threadJorge StolfiApr 5, 2023

@bitnik @jupiter_rowland @valhalla @jakob @cstross

>> For the ActivityPub network to be a better alternative to social networks, or even to WWW, the ActivityPub standard should specify a *message* format -- such as HTML 3.0 -- that is rich enough for modern expectations (embedded images and hyperlinks, tables, etc.), but that every compliant implementation is required to handle and display properly, on any minimally powerful platform.

#Fediverse #ActivityPub
#FediverseFragmentation

Show threadJorge StolfiApr 5, 2023

@bitnik @jupiter_rowland @valhalla @jakob @cstross

Sorry. I have been using ">>" to indicate continuation in threads. A habit I carried over from the bird⌫⌫⌫⌫dogecoin site. My mastodon instance limits posts to 500 bytes.

Would "🧵‍>" be the proper way here?

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@valhalla @jakob @jupiter_rowland @cstross @JorgeStolfi, why do you continue to use Mastadon when it clearly doesn't meet your requirements? As everyone has been pointing out, there are many other ways to interact with the Fediverse that have the features you seem to want. Stop torturing yourself with Mastadon; investigate your options and move to an instance which has similar ideals to your own. Then you can be happy with the Fediverse and help to educate others on what you've experienced.
Apr 5, 2023 at 11:20pmWeb