Mar 7, 2023
imagine if employers had to pay for commute time. they'd figure out really fuckin fast how many jobs can be done remotely.
Show threadmaloki 🍍Mar 7, 2023

@sayyid_qishta I've been thinking about the concept of paying for what it actually costs people to work. (as in increase where necessary etc).

So are you disabled? You get paid more.
Do you need to commute? You get paid more.
etc etc etc. (It's not a compelte thought for fairly obvious reasons, so the examples are very vague and general)

Show threadScott M. Mar 8, 2023
@maloki @sayyid_qishta there'd have to be strict guidelines on the commute thing as there are a lot of societal costs to people choosing to live far away from their work (pollution including CO2, congestion, etc). It would be unfair to those who try to reduce their externalities.
Show threadjnbhlrMar 8, 2023
@apukwa @maloki @sayyid_qishta absolutely. Commuting involves a fair amount of free choice. Being disabled isn't a choice. So the commute should be treated the same as living costlier but closer to work: A lifestyle choice. Governments shouldn't subsidise commuting not just because it's bad for people, economy and environment, but also because it's just unfair.
Show threadmaloki 🍍Mar 8, 2023

@jnbhlr @apukwa saying that commuting is a lifestyle choice is one hell of a take in the capitalist hellscape we're living in.

@sayyid_qishta

Show threadjnbhlrMar 8, 2023
@maloki @apukwa @sayyid_qishta Sorry, writing from Germany here. While we're quite capitalist here as well, some remnants of the social market economy idea (and partially probably just inertia) prevented us from reaching hellscape level.
Show threadPeluche Cero
@jnbhlr @maloki @apukwa @sayyid_qishta
I'm afraid US and European views are not going to be aligned in this one. I think you both are right, by the way.
Mar 22, 2023 at 7:00pmWeb
Show threadjnbhlrMar 22, 2023
@peluchecero @maloki @apukwa I never meant it to be understood binary (Like "if you drive it's 100% your free choice") but also about the grey area. E.G. back when I was a kid, my parents both had to cmmute on some days. Having one car, my mother carpooled with colleagues on these days. So she commuted by car but by the "lifestyle choice" of carpooling (rural area, internet of mobile phones weren't a thing back then) she avoided a car purchase. In the USA there are even HOV lanes on some....
Show threadjnbhlrMar 22, 2023
@peluchecero @maloki @apukwa ...roads (HOV: High occupancy vehicles, 2 or 3 people per car required). Some people say they are great because they save half an hour per trip, some people - by "lifestyle choice" - choose the slow traffic and complain about how miserable their live is and how they have to work two days a week to afford their car to get to work (of course you need an expensive, fancy car with comfy seats as you sit in it all day). And even there I wouldn't assume...
Show threadmaloki 🍍Mar 22, 2023

@jnbhlr @[email protected] @apukwa I'm sure I yelled at you to stop almost two weeks ago.
That means if you end up replying in the thread again, untag me.

Phew

Show threadjnbhlrMar 22, 2023
@maloki @apukwa I'm terribly sorry, I untagged the wrong handle. Sorry!
Show threadjnbhlrMar 22, 2023
@peluchecero @maloki @apukwa ...it's an easy/free lifestyle choice for everyone. E.g. a black trans woman might have a very hard time carsharing with random strangers connected to via app.