meredith tarr
mnl mnl mnl mnl mnlSpotify: 25000 people listened to your album, we’ll never tell you who they are and how they found you! Here’s $1.74.
Bandcamp: 30 people bought your album and left a comment! Here’s $250.
Ryan@mnl Swap Spotify for Apple and you get pretty much the same thing.
Richie YamashiroyaI use #AppleMusic instead of Spotify but buy music from #Bandcamp or 💿 from an artist’s store. Sounds like Bandcamp is the best for musicians.
Edited: *Spotify* not Shopify (which I do use 😂)
william ⁂ maggosso similar to how most people get more engagement here. big tech serves the interests of celebrities, advertisers and themselves.
JohnW
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Strypey@the_Effekt
MusicCoin and BitTunes are others I've heard of, at least one of which is a platform cooperative. TBH I've never used either, so I can't comment on their UX. I don't stream music often and when I do it's usually from BandCamp, or YouTube if I'm using someone's Dumb Computer (apps but no browser, eg "Smart TV" or gaming console).
Paul Jacobson@mnl I'd love to see more of the artists whose music I enjoy on Bandcamp. I've bought a few albums from artists I discovered through Spotify on Bandcamp.
Mobile Suit Golem@mnl i always try to purchase albums physical, then bandcamp, then iTunes. Load those bad boys into Plex and I'm good to go.
Joseph Zitt@kpopncommunism @mnl I rarely do physical, since playing CDs is a pain nowadays without a standalone stereo. But other than that, yup, it's Bandcamp to Plex for me. Glad I got a lifetime Plex Pass on sale (though I have my quibbles about their tag handling).
@jzitt I rip my CDs if I didn't also purchase a digital version of the album. Also keep a CD in my car stereo at all times just in case!
mathew@kpopncommunism @mnl Artists get a lot less per CD than they get from a Bandcamp purchase. I assume you buy CDs because you like the physical objects.
Apan@mnl in other words spotify is better for privacy, why would they tell the artist who the listeners are
Leah Neukirchen@mnl That only works if your album is on Bandcamp, however...
Tuxicoman@mnl thanks for sharing.
For spotify is it number of play of song or full album?
Soliyra (she/they)@mnl bandcamp ftw
volkrisCan anyone confirm first hand if this really captures common levels of Bandcamp payout? How about other such platforms?
And for that matter, if a DJ posts an hour-long set to YouTube and a couple of other sites, how is the payment to them from those sites for that sort of content?
𝗟𝗲𝗵𝘁𝗼✨@volkris Yes I can confirm it, you get 85-90% of each $ paid to you (minus a paypal or credit card fee). So 250$ for 30 album purchases at an album price of 8 to 10$ is totally normal. Even the Spotify rate is correct. Youtube: If you upload a dj mix on youtube youtube will autodetect what tracks you have used in your mix & will pay the royalties to the rights holder of these song. But not everyone knows: YouTube streaming rate payouts are less than them from Spotify. Bandcamp is still the best!
@lehto Thanks!
Often I see artists post DJ mixes to some combination of YouTube, SoundCloud, MixCloud, herethis.at, and straight podcast, and I always really wish I knew which way to go to get the DJ maximal support.
@volkris Yes, but the support is lesser the payments you get as an artist, than more the visibility of your song or your artist name. If a bigger DJ uses a song of me in his/her mix it's more likely that other people see and like the song and will maybe buy it too. So it's kind of promo if your song is used in a mix. I think I speak for most of the music artists if I say buying our music from Bandcamp is till the best option because streaming rates on most platforms are really low.
GregVR@mnl @yunchtime This totally reminds me of a line from the #TitleOfShow musical:
“I’d rather be nine people’s favorite thing,
Than a hundred people’s ninth favorite thing”
yunchtime
petur 😶🇺🇦🇵🇸🇹🇼
Nomad Skateboarding@mnl I've never had a Spotify account, and I will continue that streak. 😅
100% on this! Bandcamp is one of the best things going in this world in general. ❤️
@mnl
#TIL Spotify is now part of TenCent, the Chinese tech corporation that owns WeChat:
Niels van Rongen@strypey Yup, so far so good (I buy lot's of music through BC). But I would love to see an alternative platform to Bandcamp rise up. As an insurance when/if things go sideways. See: Comixology, owned by Amazon and for years it was doing fine, until they had to be merged into Kindle and the Amazon store. That was the moment I was out. But there is no other (worthwhile) alternative for digital comics. I hope digital music fares better.
dfs 
@mnl I have a few tracks on an ensemble comedy album on Spotify and have earned basically nothing. Does Bandcamp allow comedy albums as well as music?
CautionWIP 🎃+🇨🇦+🏳️🌈= 
Chris Agocs@mnl does Bandcamp pay more if someone leaves a comment?
brunospy@mnl It's past time to push a user-centric model. My subscription should only pay artists I listened.
Cegorach@mnl people might lynch me for that, but…
maybe artists shouldn't expect to earn a living wage from their art? Cost of reproduction is now near-zero (unless you count live playing - that's more expensive than ever) so maybe not-paying some percent of your income is to be expected for average listeners?
Yes, cost of writing (good) music didn't sink that much - but there's more content generated and reachable for the average user than ever before. So prices should go down here too?
sofia ☮️🏴@drazraeltod what has the cost of reproduction to do with what you pay artists, when the artists aren't the ones doing the reproduction anyway? the only reason reproduction is a bottneneck is because of copyright, creating monopolist parasites like Spotify.
you should probably pay artists to create art, or for having created art. if you rather pour it down the monopolist drain, less people can afford to make art and more will be spent on copyright lawyers and lobbying…
WGAvanDijk@mnl
My wife @lizmat and I don't do streaming from Spotify or Apple/iTunes. We buy regular cds (and sometimes even vinyl) and we are a proud customer via Bandcamp. So nice that when we buy an album from Harry and the Hootenannies, they actually get money, and more than a 100,000 "hits" via Spotify would give them.
My wife @lizmat and I don't do streaming from Spotify or Apple/iTunes. We buy regular cds (and sometimes even vinyl) and we are a proud customer via Bandcamp. So nice that when we buy an album from Harry and the Hootenannies, they actually get money, and more than a 100,000 "hits" via Spotify would give them.
Paul 🏳️🌈 🇺🇦🇵🇸@mnl Wow! I must get my music on there.