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Daylight Savings Time changing of hours back and forth:
Is dumb and should be abolished.
Makes perfect sense and should be kept.
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Oblomov@reay it is dumb and should be abolished, but it should not be replaced with something even dumber such as permanent DST.
robin@nottrobin @reay there are proposal to abolish DST by permanently shifting the clocks one hour behind solar time (permanent DST)
@nottrobin @reay standard time.
Raine Godmaire 
@nottrobin @oblomov @reay Permanent DST has been tried already back during the Nixon Era and was reverted within eight months. It's one of those things that seems fine at first, but the cons outweigh the pros.
@nottrobin @oblomov
DST, I’d think.
Or whatever system most countries use, a) provided it works well for them, not causing ongoing undue accidents, etc., and since b) most countries on the planet already don’t do a time change at all (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylight_saving_time_by_country ) so this would bring us more in line with everyone else’s times anyway.
DST has no geographical meaning. Ideally, each meridian should use its own Standard time (midday with Sun at its highest point). This is impractical, which is why we use timezones where you have an error of ±30 minutes “almost everywhere” (there are exceptions for political reasons). Permanent DST would make the time wrong by _at least_ half an hour (generally more) almost everywhere.
If the objective of DST is to get mor daylight work hours, just start working earlier. There's no need to shift the meaning of time for that. It's perverse.
@oblomov
I understand your argument. I completely disagree. The 24 hour clock is a human construct, not a fundamental property of the universe. The important thing is what time best serves humanity. It's not that the sun is at its highest at 12, which serves no practical purpose that I can think of.
I understand your point that we could "simply" change society to operate to different times of day but in practice this is a sociological impossibility. DST is correct.
@reay
Sure, so why don't we go back to the ancient times when daylight was divided in 12 hours regardless of how long it was. That gave the most flexibility.
@nottrobin @reay
The choice of 24 hours in a day is a human construct, but midday being when the Sun is at its highest is not.
The claim that changing society to operate at different times is a “sociological impossibility” is preposterous. We've been doing it _every single year_, _twice a year_, for a century now. DST itself is an extremely recent invention made nearly exclusively to the benefit of the industrial owners. It is not to the benefit of humanity.
@nottrobin @reay
Wrong. We don't go to work at 9am. We shift 9am to a different time and pretend it's still the same. So we all go to work an hour early but call it by a different name to pretend it didn't change. And suffer from jetlag because of it.
Wrong. We don't go to work at 9am. We shift 9am to a different time and pretend it's still the same. So we all go to work an hour early but call it by a different name to pretend it didn't change. And suffer from jetlag because of it.
Larry Sadler@nottrobin @oblomov @reay
For blue collar workers making daylight savings time permanent would be detrimental. We don't work 9-5 jobs. Our normal day usually starts around 7 if not earlier. In winter this is normally at or before sunrise. So by making it permanent we would start an hour or 2 before sunrise. Making job sites more dangerous because of low to no visibility. If they want business to have more daylight change business hours nor ours
For blue collar workers making daylight savings time permanent would be detrimental. We don't work 9-5 jobs. Our normal day usually starts around 7 if not earlier. In winter this is normally at or before sunrise. So by making it permanent we would start an hour or 2 before sunrise. Making job sites more dangerous because of low to no visibility. If they want business to have more daylight change business hours nor ours
@reay @nottrobin @oblomov
I was reposting it to different conversations in the thread.
Sorry about that though
I was reposting it to different conversations in the thread.
Sorry about that though
@reay @nottrobin @oblomov
The two different threads both assumed everyone works 9-5, and forgets that different jobs start at different hours of the day
The two different threads both assumed everyone works 9-5, and forgets that different jobs start at different hours of the day
Dr. Kelly O. Sullivan@nottrobin @oblomov @reay actually, health wise standard time is “correct”. I say shift by 30m and everyone is equally annoyed. https://www.colorado.edu/today/2022/03/28/why-permanent-daylight-saving-time-bad-idea
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