Steve Jalim
Mark Holtom (aka Kingbeard)Think about this when you hear Suella Braverman saying to Lineker that the difference between her comments and those of the Nazis was that hers are lawful.
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BCVenice1@MarkHoltom It will be like that in the US anti abortion legislation taking hold. Politicians should never make health decisions yet here we are.
Mordko@MarkHoltom the difference is that Jews didn’t try to get into Nazi Germany or occupied Europe but to get out. See?
The similarities are far more than the differences.
Differences:
Jews vs Muslims
Get out vs Get in.
Similarities:
- othering minorities, religions, races, etc.
- making them responsible for local problems.
- using them as a scapegoat to hide from own govt's problems (economy, health, education, law, ...).
- blaming migrants as cause for the above (they are taking your job/house/services).
- comparing to vermin / swarm, etc.
There's lots more.
@MarkHoltom Mass murder is a difference. Fundamental one. You just like sticking “Hitler” into every sentence to belittle the Holocaust.
@MarkHoltom there is no plan to exterminate anyone. If thats what you are saying then you are lying.
If you really want to draw parallels, UK and Canada severely limited numbers of Jewish refugees in late 1930s. Who were running from Nazi Germany rather than 21st century France.
The discussion is specifically about the 1930s. It was before the holocaust, and the message is that if you ignore the lessons from this time, they can happen again, which is what we see with the rise of far right.
If we don't learn from this, then there could be another holocaust, and we will have been party to it instead of stopping it.
I don't belittle the holocaust. I am trying to make sure that it doesn't happen again.
@MarkHoltom Main Kampf was written in 1920s. Extermination was part of the plan. Jews who had been German citizens lost citizenship by virtue of wrong blood in 1935. There is nothing remotely comparable. Its baloney. And vile.
We have to agree to disagree.
@MarkHoltom Mein Kampf: “the sacred mission of the German people…to assemble and preserve the most valuable racial elements…and raise them to the dominant position.” “All who are not of a good race are chaff.” Hitler ascribed international significance to the elimination of Jews, which “must necessarily be a bloody process”. Thats from 1920s. You are either very ignorant or deliberately lying.
@MarkHoltom UK in 1930s turned away Jewish refugees. That would be a plausible parallel but still a stretch because France is safe.
Ray Glass@MarkHoltom The most used statement at the Nuremburg trials was "I was only following orders."
Toni Widmo@MarkHoltom Even if she was right about that, it is hardly a good defence of her actions. I wouldn't emulate Nazis just because I thought I had found some legal loophole personally. Not sure exactly what kind of person thinks that is good excuse.
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tracklayer@MarkHoltom I don't think they are Nazis, fascists maybe, but it's definitely where they found their game plan. It doesn't stop at marginalising vulnerable groups. But also the execution of their ideas. Look at the German 1940 Madagascar Plan. Does this bear some resemblance to todays plans? They need to get their act together and actually tackle immigration, not use it to form another group to demonize. They should not be using peoples lives to win elections.
SabreToothTigress/ZenDragoness@MarkHoltom A Most needed comment, thank you!
RosBux@MarkHoltom thought provoking. Thanks
Freek Bomhof@MarkHoltom I don't know about the Braverman controversy enough, but this meme is way too simplistic: the Nazi law was undemocratic and immoral.
So implying that "breaking the law" today can be compared to hiding Anne Frank, (and "following the law" to murdering her) is even beyond comparing apples and pears.
So implying that "breaking the law" today can be compared to hiding Anne Frank, (and "following the law" to murdering her) is even beyond comparing apples and pears.
If you think that the meme is too simplistic, then by all means write a 3,000 article on the subject. Many have done so.
Nevertheless, as far as I know the statements in the meme are 100% accurate, and as such work perfectly well in their intnetion of skewereing Braverman and her undemocratic and immoral law.
@MarkHoltom writing 3000 words articles about memes is not my life goal, sorry.
I maintain that comparing Nazi law with today's law is not the best way to criticize immoral statements made by politicians.