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toxtethogrady Mar 6, 2023

@dangillmor So does the Florida Legislature...

#rondesantisidestroysflorida

Kirk Becker Mar 6, 2023

@dangillmor I mean, his wish list includes:

- Denigrate Educators and destroy the Florida Education System
- Violate the 1st Amendment
- Trample Women's Rights
- Limit parental right with regards to certain medical treatments for minors
- Prop up his credentials to the extreme right for his Presidential run

As a Floridian, I see the legislature stamping all of these to the detriment of its citizens.

Melanie Sill Mar 6, 2023

@dangillmor I’d been waiting for the Times to cover the Florida legislation — I’m surprised often these days by how bad the national coverage is. Everything is cast in a partisan political frame. They don’t hold politicans accountable to people — more than ever, they seem to just be calling the game. And writing a lot of stories about fiber in your diet.

@melaniesill There is expanding institutional rot in political journalism, nowhere more dangerously so than the Times. It is so disheartening.

Melanie Sill Mar 6, 2023

@dangillmor A waste of a lot of journalistic firepower. And no accountability (as we discussed before) —

@melaniesill They're so good in so many other ways, but anything relating to politics is a journalistic toxic waste dump.

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/politics/os-ne-florida-legislature-desantis-agenda-20230306-7gwqkvsu6bhm5dj2v6saofye7u-story.html

underoak Mar 6, 2023

@dangillmor @melaniesill I only see one legislative advancer among the "msm" that captures the extremism and also the Tallahassee toadyism. But then that toadyism might just be on the surface, who knows. It's early in session.

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underoak Mar 6, 2023

@dangillmor @melaniesill Some folks might have reason to stay there or move there. But it looks like the northern and western transplants are rapidly letting Florida become worse than Texas or Mississippi. Most media outlets are silent because they need access.

It’s too late, except as a warning to a few other states.

I just hope that the reply person from *Charlotte,* raised in Alabama, can find and read a few other versions. And think about NC v. AL.

David (he/him)Mar 6, 2023

@melaniesill @dangillmor big corporations now own our journalism they pretend to be for the people but are really for the corporate shareholders.

Jim Frank Mar 6, 2023

@dangillmor #NYTimesSucks same as always.

Dave

🇺🇸🇺🇦Mar 6, 2023

@dangillmor Newspaper journalism died with small town papers, it's just taken a while for people to see it. Papers like The Times are responsible for killing small town papers.

@dangillmor I'm going to be honest: I not seeing this one. The NYT has problems, but this headline and story seem perfectly reasonable. The FL legislative session and DeSantis's influence over it are important, for the very reasons you state (a radical-right governor pushing extremism), and stating that that's his goal — and he's likely to succeed — is what the story and headline should communicate. There are enough real problems at the Times. We don't need to attack the stuff that's okay.

@jesseKawell There's not a hint in that headline of the extremist nature of what they're doing.

A couple of "critics say..." paragraphs are pretty much the extent of the story's acknowledgement that what's happening is radical in the extreme.

Attribution of simple facts to critics -- plus "policy after policy that has enthralled his supporters and alarmed his detractors" -- are exactly the both-sides business as usual that normalizes extremism as just one side of a balanced issue.

@dangillmor So, it isn't extremist for the legislature to work with the governor to form legislation: that's quite common. So you must be referring to the content of those bills. What would you have them do? Everytime they talk about DeSantis, call him an extremist in the headline? The same for the Florida legislature? Unfortunately, DeSantis and co are in power. What they are doing *is* normal, because they're doing it everyday.
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@dangillmor If the NYT put "extremist" in every headline, people become numb to it. In this case, the NYT is reporting on reality. Sadly, the reality of today was extreme a few years ago. I think the problem is that DeSantis isn't extreme anymore. He's mainstream for a lot of Americans. Calling him "extremist" won't help. This isn't a media problem, it's an America problem.
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@dangillmor The media (much less the NYT) doesn't decide whst "normal" is. Society does. This reminds me of how folks were complaining about the NYT and others reporting on Trump's antics. But a pretty big minority of Americans elected him! He was president, and he was doing weird stuff! Journalists should report on those things. It's not up to journalists to suppress things they think people should stop caring about. Or calling things "extreme" when half the country considers them normal.
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@jesseKawell You're making my point for me...

@dangillmor How so? I'm not saying the NYT is normalizing extremists. I'm saying the NYT is reporting on what's normal in 2023. America made things that used to be extreme normal (which is common in societies). Not the NYT.

@jesseKawell Exactly the kind of logic that encourages continued democratic backsliding. Let's not pursue this since we're not getting anywhere...

Wub-Fur Internet Radio Mar 6, 2023

@jesseKawell @dangillmor Normalizing is, of course, precisely what the Times is doing.

Dave Mazella Mar 6, 2023

@dangillmor they are pre-complying with the fascist party, in case they win

Doreen32128 ready to rumble!Mar 6, 2023

@dangillmor I really would hate to cancel my subscription, but if this continues, I might have to do that.

Deji Mar 7, 2023

@Doreen32128 @dangillmor I cancelled mine when Maggie was shilling for drumpy. @nytimes

C0ppertop Mar 6, 2023

@dangillmor and yet he and his rich buddies are doing nothing to protect the voters from rising waters. Climate migration is going to devastate Florida and it’s neighbours in the next 50-100 years. Florida economy is going to tank, and so Desantis is distracting the voters with culture war garbage.
Wake up… Desantis and his allies don’t give a rats ass about you. They only care about them selves.

Alan Campbell Mar 6, 2023

@dangillmor he should not be normalised. This a red v blue thing, there are no both-sides to fascism.

barbisblue Mar 6, 2023

@dangillmor I remember a time when they were fairly respectable. They are not anymore. I stopped subscribing 2 years ago.

Sweeten the streets Mar 6, 2023

@dangillmor so they were critical of trump but treating desantis as ok? I have not been reading the times lately so not sure.

Fred C. Trump (dead/deceased)Mar 6, 2023

@dangillmor The NYT didn't give a shit when Jews were being marched to their death in the 1930s. What would they act to protect other minorities now?