@rebeccawatson @donmelton The problem with the new atheist guys was they decided that they could write Philosophy treatises without consulting anything. So they're writing papers for 101 classes, but their prestige in other fields means its financially successful. That means no one is going to call them out on the fact there's an entire history of discourse rebutting and reinforcing their arguments. Once the IDW thing happened they had sycophantic fan bases willing to treat it all as gospel