Dan GillmorFeb 21, 2023

If Big Journalism doesn't start treating the Murdoch family's poison-spewing Fox "News" like the rogue propaganda-for-power-and-money outfit that it is, the craft will demonstrate its utter contempt for journalistic ethics.

The Fox-McCarthy partnership is one of the most egregious examples yet -- and simply covering it as just another story is not nearly enough.

The times grow more and more dangerous, and Big Journalism is not up to the job -- yet. https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/20/politics/kevin-mccarthy-tucker-carlson-january-6-footage/index.html

Dan PrestonFeb 24, 2023
Show threadDan Gillmor

What can/should Big Journalism do? For starters:

-- Fox "News" and its employees should be kicked out of any press organization or association in which they hold official status or membership.

-- News organizations that care about journalistic integrity should announce publicly that they will not hire from Fox.

Treating Fox as a legitimate news organization should have ended long ago. Better late than never, but if the craft won't do the right thing now, it never will.

Feb 21, 2023 at 6:46pmWeb
Show threadDan GillmorFeb 21, 2023

Individual journalists can do their part by urging journalism trade organizations and associations in which they are members to ban Fox employees.

If the answer is no (or no answer), journalists should resign from those trade groups -- and say why.

Journalists should also lobby donors to those trade groups to apply pressure to keep Fox out.

Doing nothing is, at this point, more than just acquiescence. It borders on complicity.

Show threadGdetorresFeb 21, 2023
@dangillmor I believe in people, regardless of their filiation. Going against a journalist just because he/she happens to work for x is not legit. Clarisa Ward worked at Fox at some point in her career. Life is not writen in black and white. Sorry
Show thread/C\a/r\l/o\s/Feb 22, 2023
@dangillmor @gdetorres You said it yourself: “worked.” She doesn’t anymore. This wouldn’t apply to her.
Show threadYosemite SamFeb 24, 2023

@gdetorres @dangillmor

OK sorry
Another post that gets it

#1A

Show threadDan GillmorFeb 24, 2023

@gdetorres I don't necessarily disagree, though there is a time factor. Someone who worked there some time ago surely should get a pass; we all have poor judgment at some point along the way.

But anyone who still works at Fox is well aware of what the organization stands for and does.

Show threadGdetorresMar 1, 2023
@dangillmor I understand what you meant, but beggars at not choosers. It is a job in a shrinking news market and I am sure not everybody working at the organization is identified with the editorial strategy based on polarization/and conspirative anti-democratic theories. So they would be double penalized. The channel, for sure. Pundits in the front line? Understandable. But I wouldn’t go further. Thanks for discussing a topic I am not as familiar as you 🙂
Show threadMattFeb 21, 2023
@dangillmor Fox is the largest offender, but this should apply to any “news” organization that routinely lies.
Show threadAskPippa🇨🇦Feb 21, 2023
@dangillmor Some journalism associations have some sort of code of ethics. If individual members do things against it, they can be removed from the association. But it needs to be brought up with an association's board for discussion and action and I'm not sure that's done very often.
Show threaddecitectFeb 22, 2023
@dangillmor Based on replies to this thread, we might need a new Estate. If, in defense of Fox, one allows “journalist” to be conflated with “propagandist”, you’ve lost the core principle that distinguishes truth from fiction. There’s only so much “spin” before BS implodes the profession. cf Hannity.
Show threadJulesFeb 22, 2023
@dangillmor I know of journalists attempting to do the right thing, who deserve protection from Fox in case of unfair dismissal. This makes me uncomfortable when I read your suggestion. Might it be better to push trade organizations etc. to promise to support any Fox employee harassed or sacked for sticking to ethics?
edit: P.S. While you're at it, apply it to the whole Murdoch media empire.
Show threadCharles JohnsonFeb 21, 2023
@dangillmor Agree, but unfortunately, it’s very unlikely that any of this will happen.
Show threadKyozouFeb 21, 2023
@Green_Footballs @dangillmor
Zero chance that guys like Tapper are going to admit they were wrong.
‘Jake Tapper asked White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs about the appropriateness of the administration’s saying that Fox News, which he called "one of our sister organizations," is "not a news organization.’
https://www.rcfp.org/white-house-attempted-shut-out-fox-news-reporter/
Show threadDouglas WolfeFeb 21, 2023
@dangillmor why does Fox still have a place, any place, in the White House press room?
Show threadegyp7Feb 21, 2023
@dwolfe @dangillmor Because their lies are useful to a certain demographic
Show threadBouriquetFeb 21, 2023
@dangillmor basically the question of:
When does a news media organization cease to focus on news and become an opinion media organization?
With “news” in their name, many viewers are not capable of discerning the difference.
Strip that word from their name, substitute “opinions” or perhaps “fabrications” or simply “lies”
Show threadYosemite SamFeb 24, 2023

@bouriquet @dangillmor

The only sensible response in this thread.
All others in this thread and that means every one besides this one infringe on 1A with their solutions or agreements with the original post

This person gets it
That's worth a follow right there

Show threadRamona GriggFeb 21, 2023
@dangillmor
Perfect! I couldn't agree more. Nothing we can do legally to stop their lies and corrosion but shunning them and making them journalistic pariahs is just the ticket!
This could work!
Show threadPatriotic CatsFeb 21, 2023
@dangillmor narrator. It never will
Show threadZZ BottomFeb 21, 2023
@dangillmor 
Show threadAngela GraceFeb 21, 2023
@dangillmor
And it should not be played on military bases or used to recruit military or other government personnel!
Show threadGodfrey642Feb 22, 2023
@dangillmor Fox doesn't publish news. It merely peddles opinion. And pretty shitty opinion at that. If i published half of the toxic swamp slime they do, Id be done for slander and defamation of character.