In America, they say the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.

But that just sounds like someone trying to sell two guns.

@westly It can be rephrased as "the only way to stop violence is with violence", except we kinda know that's not true. It's just so much more satisfying to take decisive action against an antagonist than it is to talk them down, listen to them and bring them around.

It can also be analogized to MAD, but we know _that_ doesn't work reliably on the individual level...

@westly And the sound of the NRA trying to increase their memberships.
@westly - with option for two in backup. They are LOST.
@westly If there is third guy with a gun in the same place, and sees 2 other guys taking their guns, which one should he shoot first?
@westly For real... Not to mention, a so-called good guy with a gun, can be a horrible person with one, to another... That good guy may turn out to be worse than the bad buy....
@customer228 @westly Not only that, but often a good guy with a gun gets mistaken for a bad guy with a gun and is shot down by the police. It happened not too long ago here in Colorado.

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Yes. I haven't heard of it yet but I shudder to think of a mall full of random Good Guys With Guns trying to stop the one Bad Guy With A Gun and the cops trying to tell them apart while shooting.
It's just waiting to happen.

@vince @customer228 @westly It happened at a shooting in Arvada, Colorado awhile ago. A man came out of a sporting goods store to find a shooter in the town square and shot him down before he could kill more people. However, a police officer saw the "good guy with a gun" and shot him before he could explain or defend himself.
@westly @donmelton you know what happens when the cops show up and they see a good guy with a gun? Same thing as when they see anyone with a gun.
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@westly
No it's definitely the selling two guns thing. NRA gets donations from gun manufacturers and then the NRA gives bribes, I mean donations, to pro-gun politicians.
@westly
Everybody loves a circular firing squad!
@westly The people of Uvalde, Texas would agree.
@westly That's exactly what it is.
@westly I've asked Americans "Where was the good guy with a gun when the toddler shot the mother?" but have not received an answer to date.

@westly My city is literally recovering from it's second mass shooting in like 4 or 5 years.

At this point, banning all guns would be the faster solution in the US, and maybe even more likely than the dramatic overhaul of government, Healthcare, education, etc etc than it would otherwise take to end mass shootings.

Thanks, I hate it here. #ElPasoStrong

@westly
Yeah, Uvalde set that particular little theme to rest.
You know, when they were standing outside the school, arresting and tasing parents who were trying to save their childrens' lives.
@westly plus in the US about 600,000 guns are stolen from homes every year. So that's another 600,000 guns in the hands of bad guys. Then you need 600,000 more guns to replace the stolen ones, and another 600,000 to stop the additional 600,000 in the hands of bad guys now.
@westly this is hilarious. Is this a reference from somewhere, or is it something original you made? I read it to my wife and she laughed too.
@westly And of course this is exactly why you'll never see gun reform in the US. I believe guns generate upwards of $17 billion annually.
NOTHING, not even the lives of your children, gets in the way of that kind of profit.
#capitalism
@westly And concealed carry training from all i understand basically says to never pull your gun on a mass shooter because you'll hit others and the cops will get confused, both killing you and ignoring the first shooter
@westly
Exactly! Same with legislators legalizing children openly carrying weapons. It's not a right they're protecting, it's a sales pitch to buy your kids guns.
@westly Seems that they don't just want to sell *two* guns, they want to sell a gun to *every* six year old in the class.

@westly

1. A cultural shift like what which happened with the attitude towards cigarettes.

2. Make weapons and ammo more expensive.

3. Lawsuits against manufacturers.

@cowboyminer @westly I'm somewhat wary of the third establishing a precedent (those things have a tendency to spread).

Imagine semiconductor fabs being sued out of existence for their devices being used for malicious purposes.

Or ISPs for sharing of copyrighted files (yes that bullshit happens and no it's not acceptable, that shit must be stamped out with extreme prejudice).

At the same time, they don't need to be advertising their existence either.