@nathansnelgrove One thing I learned long ago is that people like us who prioritize design, UI, and UX can empathize with and understand the choices made by people who prioritize other factors (e.g. raw feature count, or software being free-of-charge). But it doesn't work the other way: most people who prioritize other things can't fathom why anyone cares deeply about design/UI/UX. Thus they chalk it up to being hypnotized by marketing or something.

@gruber Interesting that in the list of "other factors" you didn't list "respecting people using our products enough to let them make their own choices", which has always been my primary criticism of the my-way-or-the highway approach that has been the hallmark of Apple's design, UI/UX philosophy for over a decade.

@maks I’d say that falls under the “system level tinkering” or whatever words I used that I did mention.

@gruber To me your article starts from an assumption that the look & feel of the iOS apps "style" (for lack of better word), the "liviness", is something everyone wants, it's right there in your use of "table stacks". But I would argue thats just an ascetic design preference that you currently hold, maybe others preferred the skeuomorph fad that's now come & gone. My point was that I wouldn't judge Android or iOS app ecosystem just by my *personal* design tastes.

@gruber PS. I and at least a few others, have a soft spot for brutalist architecture.