David BeazleyFeb 2, 2023

I'm genuinely starting to wonder if programmers are afraid (or not incentivized) to write "plain" looking code.

I look at a lot of Python examples these days and the main thing going through my mind is "wow, that thing you just wrote is like exactly the opposite of everything that initially attracted me to Python."

Show threadGreg WilsonFeb 2, 2023
@dabeaz I wonder what the world would look like if every PEP had to include a section explaining how people would debug the new feature when it went wrong and/or every implementation of a PEP had to include an upgrade to debugging tools to help people. *cough* decorators *cough*
Show threadDavid Beazley
@gvwilson I'm very much in the anti-decorator camp these days. Every use of "@" is a code smell.
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Show threadGreg WilsonFeb 2, 2023
@dabeaz Said it before, will say it again: I'd really like to see you design a Lua-sized language...
Show threadmaegulFeb 3, 2023

@gvwilson @dabeaz why not actual Lua?

I myself, in my limited exposure, always wished there was more to the language, but that almost certainly me wishing it was more like Python.

Show threadMatฤ›j Cepl ๐Ÿ‡ช๐Ÿ‡บ ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ฟ ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆFeb 2, 2023
@dabeaz @gvwilson Even @unittest.skip() ?
Show threadDavid BeazleyFeb 2, 2023
@mcepl @gvwilson Tests?