@kentparkstreet even present day Libs are interchangeable with Libs of a bygone era. It got them way too many election wins, so they believe that it is going to win them a lot more, with the public pissed of with Scumo, maybe if they change their current leader, they might be a show yet! But as new electors come into the system, the generational change might not see it their way and might go with progressives, well I for one would support that and welcome it.