Ghryswald
Ruben Bolling 🪲Both parties have held the debt ceiling hostage as a political tool. For example, in 2011, the Republicans did it. But in 2013, the Republicans did it. On the other hand, this year it is the Republicans who are doing it.
The NYT deleted that horrible tweet.
That Anonymous CowardHold me, I'm scared.
I think hell froze over.
TransitBiker@rubenbolling stop posting links to twitter on here, please. ❤️
Str8nger
Ton Chrysoprase@rubenbolling Holy shit, I clicked on the link and opened Twitter for the first time on forever and it really has become a right wing shit hole.
@TonChryso @rubenbolling exactly why I won’t click on the link & wish ppl would stop posting them. #FuckMuskratVonFuckStick & #Twatter
@Str8nger @rubenbolling I guess I had to see it for myself once, but yeah... I get you.
@TonChryso @rubenbolling cool, but please maybe post quote or screenshot instead of link. No need to generate traffic/data for #Muskrat IMO. 🙏
KanaMauna@rubenbolling Funny how all of their “errors” always seem to lean the same direction.
BlueScottyP@rubenbolling Yes!!!
Egg on their face while trying to “both sides” an important issue!
Your tweet pointing this out was brilliantl!
Had to instantly follow you! 🤜🏾🤛🏼
Egg on their face while trying to “both sides” an important issue!
Your tweet pointing this out was brilliantl!
Had to instantly follow you! 🤜🏾🤛🏼
MaggieLNow only like 500 stories and opinion pieces to go.
Janice Stickles@rubenbolling But not before you shared it with us! Who does the fact checking over there at the NYT?! {rhetorical}
Dan@rubenbolling I'm not American and even I know it was the Republicans in all 3 instances...
Speed demon 🇪🇺 🇳🇴🇺🇦🇵🇸@rubenbolling What kind of brain-rot caused them to tweet that in the first place? They had to actively compose a convoluted sentece to hide reality. Can't be an accident. Seems NYT is using a perception-filter heavily in favor of Anarcho-Capitalistic MAGATs.
Harik@rubenbolling Except the times is right - in each of those years both parties use it to get what they wanted, smaller government and less ability to regulate business. They're both neoliberal flavors of stupid, they both firmly believe the goverment is a distortion on "the free market" and it's weird that how with full control of the goverment the democrats have never gotten rid of that pesky debt ceiling, instead teeing it up to fire as soon as their republican compatriots get control.
CU@rubenbolling Both parties have been intimately involved in this tactic, either by using it or having it used against them
Lady Gee
bodhidave@travellovewine @cumush @rubenbolling
don't know whether to laugh or cry here ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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aburka 🫣@cumush @rubenbolling Your honor, I have experience appearing before many of the courts in this state, sometimes as counsel.
Andrew Singleton@cumush @rubenbolling Wives are intimately involved in spousal abuse against women.
Taco Dave@cumush @rubenbolling don't forget there have been two parties USING that tactic as well: the Republicans and the GOP
Cath-in-a-Hat
Creative! Queer!! Autistic!!!
Tappin Lisa@rubenbolling
Geez. The both-sides-ism is just off the charts.
Geez. The both-sides-ism is just off the charts.
Ian RobbersonIn conclusion, the House of Representatives is a land of contrast.
WGAvanDijk@rubenbolling
It seems in 2006 the Democrats, including Joe Biden, used it as a political tool. I think it's stupid by either side to use it as a political tool.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/28/us/politics/debt-ceiling-democrats-republicans-history.html
It seems in 2006 the Democrats, including Joe Biden, used it as a political tool. I think it's stupid by either side to use it as a political tool.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/28/us/politics/debt-ceiling-democrats-republicans-history.html
T. T. PerrySorry but this is a distortion. Democrats did not cause a crisis and thus did not use it as a political tool in the same way.
kwh@rubenbolling @WGAvanDijk not at all accurate. In 2006 the Republican House had engaged the “Gephardt Rule” to engross the debt ceiling increase together with the budget, allowing House R’s to avoid being on-record voting for the ceiling increase. The senate at that time was 55 Rs, 44 D, 1 Independent.
@rubenbolling @WGAvanDijk On 16 MAR 2006 the resolution was voted in the Senate, and Obama gave a brief speech challenging earmark spending. The ceiling passed by 52/48, with 52 Rs in favor, all Ds and several Rs against.
So it is political in the mere sense that there was one speech and a doomed vote against it, there was no chance of government shutdown or defaulting on debt payments, and Ds were not in control of anything.
@rubenbolling @WGAvanDijk Ds would take control of congress shortly after in 2007, and the debt ceiling was raised 3 more times by a Democratic Congress for a Republican President, without any politics, but at the time the global economy was also imploding and government spending was needed to avoid disaster.
@kwh561 @rubenbolling
I must admit, I just did a quick search on Googlew, saw that it seemed that the democrats did this too, and posted like a moron.
I must admit, I just did a quick search on Googlew, saw that it seemed that the democrats did this too, and posted like a moron.
@kwh561 @rubenbolling
I am Dutch, and my country, The Netherlands, does not have a problem like that. \Our debt is small compared to that of the USA, and since we are excellent traders and negotiators, we have traded our debts for smaller debts, and are now doing quite nicely. I mean, in the past 5 years, we had months in which we had negative interest for state loans, which mean, people who loaned money to The Netherlands, had to pay to The Netherlands for being allowed to loan to us.
I am Dutch, and my country, The Netherlands, does not have a problem like that. \Our debt is small compared to that of the USA, and since we are excellent traders and negotiators, we have traded our debts for smaller debts, and are now doing quite nicely. I mean, in the past 5 years, we had months in which we had negative interest for state loans, which mean, people who loaned money to The Netherlands, had to pay to The Netherlands for being allowed to loan to us.
@kwh561 @rubenbolling
Nice money coming in that way.
OK, well,
now that has ended thanks to Russia, but we're still doing nicely.
@WGAvanDijk @rubenbolling it’s no problem, the “debt ceiling” debacle is basically a foolish vestige of the past and an impediment of functioning government.
Imagine if you should step into a restaurant, and order a fine large meal, and after you’ve eaten it, they ask for your payment.
@WGAvanDijk @rubenbolling You have no cash and no cards, and so you say “instead of finding a way to pay you, I am going to shut down this restaurant and block the door for weeks until I finally decide to phone a friend and borrow a few dollars to pay you.”
This is how idiotic it is, to vote and authorize spending and all that depends on it, and then refuse to ensure the means of how that spending is paid for.
@WGAvanDijk @rubenbolling Republicans use this to continue the debate - they know their constituents depend just as much on spending and social programs, so they vote to allow the spending, then they argue that the spending is too much because of “other people” (poor and minorities) getting more than they deserve.
@WGAvanDijk @rubenbolling So they try to blame the chaos of shutdown on that, however when they have power over the budget, they expand deficits to provide rich/corporate tax cuts and earmarks.
Rufus T. Firefly@WGAvanDijk @rubenbolling It seems that WGAvanDijk didn't read the article attached to his post. Bit sloppy, that.
@chuck88 @rubenbolling
Rufus: I am a woman, a bit sloppy that you did not notice. 🙂
Indeed, I was sloppy for not reading the article. The New York Times allowed me to read just one paragraph, the rest was behind a pay wall, which I was not prepared to pay for. So, I thought, I am going to be sloppy and just post this remark and see how people react.
I could have investigated further. I did not.
@WGAvanDijk @rubenbolling "Rufus: I am a woman, a bit sloppy that you did not notice." True, dat. My bad. Not that it matters. It's still false equivalence and not helpful. And it would be a "shared responsibility for both parties" only if one of them had ever shown even a *teeny* bit of interest in getting rid of it. Right now it's like saying I have a shared responsibility for disarming the thug holding a gun to my head. Only one of us wants to do it.
@chuck88 @rubenbolling
Oh, really.
OK. I am a bad person.
My bad.
I am sorry.
Please help make the world a better place.
I am not an American, I cannot improve the USA situation.
I can improve the Dutch situation and I did.
Please do your best.
Kind regards, and hugz, and lots of love,
Wendy
Oh, really.
OK. I am a bad person.
My bad.
I am sorry.
Please help make the world a better place.
I am not an American, I cannot improve the USA situation.
I can improve the Dutch situation and I did.
Please do your best.
Kind regards, and hugz, and lots of love,
Wendy
@chuck88 @rubenbolling
I guess you need to hear this, dear Rufus: you are a wonderful person.
Please continue to be wonderful, and please, help make the world a good place for all here.
I guess you need to hear this, dear Rufus: you are a wonderful person.
Please continue to be wonderful, and please, help make the world a good place for all here.
@chuck88 @rubenbolling
I did not investigate further, mostly, because I think the possibility of a debt ceiling is a ridiculous thing and that such a ceiling should have been removed long ago. Removing it is a shared responsibilty for both parties.
I did not investigate further, mostly, because I think the possibility of a debt ceiling is a ridiculous thing and that such a ceiling should have been removed long ago. Removing it is a shared responsibilty for both parties.
@chuck88 @rubenbolling
But mostly, your are right. I did a sloppy job there. I should have looked further than the New York Times. I don't even like the New York Times, I think it's a horribly biased newspaper. Sorry.
But mostly, your are right. I did a sloppy job there. I should have looked further than the New York Times. I don't even like the New York Times, I think it's a horribly biased newspaper. Sorry.
Ω 🌍 Gus Posey@rubenbolling One of the great, shattering disappointments of the last five years was learning that the New York Times was full of crap.
Grandma Bates@rubenbolling In fairness to the NY Times, the Democrats have used the debt ceiling as a political tool to bludgeon Republicans by demonstrating how to govern in a more responsible manner. They ought to be ashamed of themselves.
En Buen Ora 🆗@rubenbolling It takes two to make a debt ceiling hostage situation: the side making the threat, and the side being threatened.
RichardOntario@enbuenora @rubenbolling Aren’t WE that other side?
@RADC @rubenbolling yes, clearly it's our fault for being here
@enbuenora @rubenbolling Isn’t it though? We have to blame someone and I just can’t find a republican voter anywhere
Jonathan Kamens 86 47@rubenbolling I long ago stopped clicking on #NYTimes links and I encourage others to join me in this.
Heck, I loved #ThisAmericanLife and #SerialPodcast but when they inked a deal with the Times I stopped listening to both.
The Times does some good journalism, but it seems patently obvious to me that the bad outweighs the good, and anything really important they report gets reported elsewhere.
Clicks = ad revenue for them. Stop clicking.
Heck, I loved #ThisAmericanLife and #SerialPodcast but when they inked a deal with the Times I stopped listening to both.
The Times does some good journalism, but it seems patently obvious to me that the bad outweighs the good, and anything really important they report gets reported elsewhere.
Clicks = ad revenue for them. Stop clicking.
PrinceOfDenmark@jik If you don’t want to support #NewYorkTimes in any way but still want to support journalism as a way to both be informed and ensure there is a spotlight on the powerful, what alternative do you recommend? #WashingtonPost also has lazy/bad takes sometimes, #LATimes doesn’t go as deep into national politics, my hometown newspaper is kinda focused on clickbait takes, and let’s face it the #fediverese is an easy place launch unverified crap.
#NYTimes ain’t great, but who else?
@PrinceOfDenmark I subscribe to #WashingtonPost. The right-wing dreck they publish on their op-ed page pisses me off, but aside from that I believe they're leaps and bounds better than #NYTimes.
Also consider supporting independent news sources like @ProPublica, @themarkup, and Capital B News. If you watch what comes across your timeline you'll also see quite a few other orgs doing important and excellent reporting.
Also consider supporting independent news sources like @ProPublica, @themarkup, and Capital B News. If you watch what comes across your timeline you'll also see quite a few other orgs doing important and excellent reporting.
@jik @ProPublica @themarkup Thanks for the perspective!
I do donate monthly to ProPublica and subscribe to WaPo, and also to NYT. Stupid amount of monthly expense but I want to support journalism with a broad reach - and to read stuff with a chance of getting fact-checked. Will check out Capital B.
Gurtbeef Robe@PrinceOfDenmark @jik WaPo’s biggest problem is the editorial page. Generally stays there for stupid conservative takes. NYT used to just be the editorial page but now it’s creeping over into their actual news. LA times is right wing
Spicy but not too Flamey@rubenbolling Yep, as much violence as the GOP has done to her, the Grey Lady refuses to renounce her conservatism, as that would piss off her many sugar daddies.
