KaySo much this:
Lunatech@sable But not all humans have the skills or the ability to make good art using traditional methods, but they can make art by describing their vision into an AI that will then create what they describe. It is still humans making art, they are just using a different tool that allows more humans to make art, not just those that possess a particular skill set and/or the fine motor coordination to make traditional art.
NockerGeek@Lunatech @sable No, it’s not humans “making art”, if all they’re doing is describing what they want. Someone who commissions an artist isn’t considered an artist, and they do the exact same thing. AI image generation fans are just either uninterested in learning art or unwilling to pay a human being to do it. Claiming that AI makes you an artist is like saying reheating a frozen dinner makes you a chef.
@nockergeek @sable Also, you are kind of splitting hairs when you say that a human describing an artistic vision to an AI program and letting it fill in the details isn't art. Sometimes it takes effort and creativity to come up with a description that causes the AI to do what you want. On the other hand some images are generated with little thought or talent, and are maybe the equivalent of a child's crayon drawing, but proud parents still call that child's drawing art. Point is, we don't decide who or what can create art, we just as individuals decide wheter we like something enough to call it a work of art, a piece of trash, or something in between. And don't even get me started on the crap art that rich people buy for ridiculous amounts of money, that I wouldn't have hanging in my living room if you paid me!
@Lunatech @sable No, I'm not splitting hairs, because my partner is an artist who does illustration for a living. I've seen how she works with the people commissioning her. They too have creativity and vision, and there's are sometimes rounds of revisions while they hash out details and help her realize what they want to see.
But that doesn't make them the artists, because _they didn't create the art_. She did. It was her skill and effort and time they paid for.
@Lunatech @sable As far as if what the AI image generator is counts as art, tell me this:
What did the AI bring of itself to the process? What did it intend? What did it want to convey? What did it personally bring to the artwork that makes it special? What did the AI want out of it? What was it feeling as it worked on the piece? What memories, what practiced skills did it bring to the work? What feeling did it wish to invoke in the viewer?
@nockergeek @sable Who cares? ART IS IN THE EYE OF THE BEHOLDER. If the AI produces "art" that people enjoy then who cares if it had none of the qualities you would attribute to a human artist? Oh, right, the people who sell art for a living!
What was the human artist feeling when they worked on a piece? Maybe they were wondering how much some gullible rich person would pay for the piece of crap art they were producing, or maybe they were pouring their entire heart and soul into it. You don't know.