@ianwalker There's a certain lack of self awareness there. But we'd expect that - how often do we see motorists dissing cyclists of pedestrians for acting exactly how they act themselves? It's a familiar story in that sense.

@cabd @ianwalker I think you need to treat drivers as addicts (that haven't realised they are addicts it's a bad thing) in your brain when having a discussion about driving less.

@jnbhlr @ianwalker Yeah, maybe. Although even if you're not discussing that, getting folk to acknowledge basic human decency in such discussions is weirdly hard. You'll mention you found a rabbit that had been winged by a car and had to euthanise it, they'll start ultra-defensively telling you about how they flattened a cat and it's just a thing and there's nothing they can do. I think they know, I think at a level they get it...

@jnbhlr @ianwalker or you're taking your waterproof off and fiddling with your bike lights to put them away before a meeting, and they'll start telling you out of the blue why they had to drive there. There's a level of guilt, a level at which they know this is nonsense, but they've GOT to come out swinging in defence of a lifestyle they know to be unsustainable. Deep down, they know this.